Should people who have lost their job due to COVID, unable to pay rent, be evicted?

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Should people who have lost their job due to COVID, unable to pay rent, be evicted?

  1. Yes - Anyone who cant pay should be evicted

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  2. No - This is an unprecedented crisis, and allowances must be made.

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    41.4%
  3. Other - Please explain below.

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  1. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    We know that many people have lost their job due to the covid pandemic. Those people have been unable to pay rent.

    Should they be evicted?
     
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    Yes, at some point. The landlord does not have a legal obligation to continue to expend their assets and pay expenses against that asset with no expectation of remuneration.

    And no, it is not the responsibility of taxpayers to continue paying for someone's housing.

    Considering the many employers that are desperate for employees right now (a lot in hospitality sector) jobs are still available. Until more manufacturing comes back to US soil, we will reap the results of offshoring for a number of years.
     
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    Are you suggestibng that we are going to have to kick a lot of people out to the street, and there is nothing to be done about it other than to carry out the action and live with the consequences such an environment creates?
     
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    So no acknowledgement that someone else is carrying the cost of other people in providing their assets to the disposal of people not able to pay for them.

    Why?
     
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    Turin Well-Known Member

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    Because I was asking a question. Not stating anything. If I were making a statement, then I might mention that sure. And that banks need to give mortgage relief.

    We have a vested interest in keeping people in homes.
     
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    Of course we would prefer people keep their homes, but we also have to consider those who rent.

    Since a number of malls have closed down, perhaps that space could be used to temporarily house those who are involuntarily homeless, until such a time that they get or return to employment? Within reason, of course.

    Just how long do you feel that the taxpayers should support everyone so they can 'keep their homes'?
     
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    Should landlords who are not receiving rent from their tenants lose their properties because they can't pay the mortgage? Should I who invest in mortgage securities to fund those mortgages lose my retirement money because the landlords can't pay the mortgage?
     
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    Maybe it will kick them into a job they might not otherwise take but would pay their rent.
     
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    Are you suggesting it would be better if all the housing went into arrears and all the property owners lose their property?
     
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    And when the bank no longer as the required reserves and no income coming in and has to close...............what happens to my retirement savings, why should I lose that?
     
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    That is up to them and negotiations with their landlord or mortgage holder, myself I am in no way going to get evicted or have my house taken away...
     
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    Any individual landlord can allow a tenant to remain in rented property without paying rent on time, if the landlord WANTS to do that, for any reason of his/her choosing.

    But, by all the usual rules that apply to the relationship between landlords and tenants, if the tenants don't pay, they can, and should, expect to be told to LEAVE in accordance to whatever agreement they signed in the first place. It's really no more complicated than that... pretty "cut-and-dried", as they say!

    COVID-19, or any other pandemic disease, really has nothing to do with the relationship between a landlord and a tenant, unless there was some kind of one-off 'contingency' built into the original rental agreement, and if there was, it would be very RARE indeed....
     
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    A very astute comment IMHO given the recent Goldman/Sachs warning about the inpact of a Biden victory on the stock market.
     
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    Pretty obvious... freedom and liberty dictates that it is between the resident and the lender or landlord. Government should stay out of it.
     
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    While I do agree, but as to the government staying out of it, only in respect to actual foreclosure or eviction. Requiring a landlord to permit a one month grace in which they cannot view it as default, but as an offset, lighten the requirements in the aftermath of filing for eviction if the tenant makes no good faith effort to pay the second month.

    In the commercial real estate world, we had landlords calling US and asking if we needed forbearance. Most landlords were able to get the same from their banks/mortgage holders, and to do so, needed to show that they had provided the same to the tenants.
     
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    Here in the Denver - Colorado Springs area, the demand for apartments has skyrocketed for several years and rents have gone up a lot. People are literally standing in line to rent quality apartments, so I don't imagine that landlords have to put up with 'slow-pay' or 'no-pay'.

    For those who get booted out, they can always get a tent and go to Portland or Seattle and live off the government....
     
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    Should the landlords who go broke because they can't evict people who don't pay rent be evicted if they're unable to pay rent because they're broke?
     
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    I can see both sides on this discussion, it's tough especially being REALLY hard hit by this financially myself and don't want to be hypocritical. Now, I have now gotten back to work recently and did Postmates while looking for work, so it is possible to get a job, while lots of people are just letting their rent go, sitting on their butt's not job searching, or not doing what they can to earn even some money, that's wrong and people are really milking these extensions. Some are receiving unemployment and still not using assistance to pay rent and that's obviously a big problem. Hell, there are people that didn't use stimulus money for rent and bills and bought crap off Amazon and these are problems we run into when a lot of assistance is being provided. Yet, there are hard working people wanting to get back to work, using what relief funds they received wisely while others use it as a reason to be lazy and get a free ride. Personally, I know both types of people.

    However, when the government forces you out of job through no fault of anyone with short notice like Governor Ducey pulled in AZ that definitely does pose a financial strain, especially with trying to recover from the first lockdown. While people may have found employment they may have taken a major paycut, I know I did. Also, when lots of people are unemployed all at once the job market becomes VERY oversaturated and there are an overwhelming amount of job applicants, this does make it more difficult to get a job. It took me longer than usual, normally I can get a job in less than a week and that wasn't the case this time around, so I can sympathize for people that are REALLY trying.

    I think allowances should be made, yes but in AZ rent forgiveness goes through October and that's excessive and will bite people in the ass eventually. While work is tougher to come by, it's not impossible by any stretch. I understand pretty much all the arguments I read in this thread, all valid points. I think exceptions should be made but not to extremes, so maybe that puts me in the middle on this discussion.
     
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    This really is just the government ordering rental property owners to let people live in their house, apartment, duplex or condo for FREE. Period.

    Not 1 in 5 will pay back rent. Why would they? Certainly no one in lower income rental property will. Why pay 5 months back rent, when they can just go down the block and rent a new apartment - vacant because those tenants also decided to move rather than pay months of rent? In fact, those two sets of tenants basically could just swap apartments in different complexes - both not paying their rent. By moving, there is no eviction lawsuit. Few landlords file with credit agencies because it is just good money after bad.

    So this needs to be CALLED WHAT IT IS: Local, state and the federal government ordering rental property owners to allow people to live in their property rent-free for month after month after month after month - ordering they provide free welfare to 1 or 500 people at their own 100% lose.

    Don't you think they should do that for spare bedrooms too? Order YOU to let someone live in a spare bedroom at your home for free month after month after month? You should pay their car payments too.
     
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    We know over a dozen people who are receiving the "stimulus" (free) money - and most are also drawing unemployment - while working off the clock/under the table. Only ONE is paying their rent. Why would they if they don't have to?

    When the FREE RENT period finally ends, they will just move, avoiding an eviction lawsuit. Each property owner will have been forced to contribute thousands of welfare dollars on summary government decrees of the government basically seizing their property - ordering people can live their for free - while also ordering the "landlord" receiving $0 rent to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars maintaining their property the government has seized to provide free housing.

    Covid-19 summary totalitarian orders have eliminated everything the USA was. The government can not only seize your property and give it to others to use for free - but then also order YOU to pay for all repairs and maintenance on your property the government seized. Merely by saying "health emergency" the government now can seize your property and erase any and all rights you have - literally ordering you into unemployment, poverty, and under house arrest.

    The 24/7 bio-terrorism campaign has slaughtered the middle class competition for money on behalf of the richest people on earth, erased the Bill Of Rights and erased capitalism on behalf of pure government seizure of property without any compensation socialism.

    Why not next summarily seize people's 2nd cars and give them to people to use for free - but YOU have to pay for the maintenance, car payments and insurance on the car anyway - identical to what they have done to people with 2nd residential property?
     
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    I have never heard of this being done. Has it? Under what auspices is that allowed? Honest question.
     
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    When you mash all the 'sob-sister' bullshit out of this indefensibly stupid situation in which people had no savings to fall back on, the government will end up pay all the back-rent. Wait and see. This will especially likely if Biden is elected... hell -- he'll probably make paying peoples' rent part of his campaign promises!

    Truth? Americans do not (NOT) save money! They live on credit cards, 'subsidies', and welfare.... THAT is what we have turned into since 9/11....

    [​IMG]. "Just vote for me and everything's FREE!" :banana:
     
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    What would the OP suggest to homeowners that rent out a home and yet still have a mortgage, should they lose their home because a renter stopped paying, not all apartment complexes are owned by major corporations, should is the bank giving the owners a pass? I don't know what the answer is but it is far more complicated than just asking if someone should be evicted.
     
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    I voted no because its more our authoritarian approach to Cvirus that has cost jobs than Cvirus itself. People shouldn't go homeless because of govt mismanaging (overmanaging) a situation.

    However, I also believe that landlords shouldn't have to house people free of charge.

    Order the Treasury/Fed (since they've basically been merged) to organize a freeze on mortgages on properties that are rentals. Or something like that.
     
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    Agreed
     
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