Is this a blatant violation of the 2nd Amendment?

I can see "reality winner" embedded in your quote of my post. Was that intentional?

 

if they voted Republican, then they were republican, people can switch sides

 

LOL. So LIFE-LONG DEDICATED Republicans who vote for Biden this year will actually become Democrat?

 

yep, they may later change back to republicans, but if they vote dem, they are dem, like I said, people can and often do change sides

 

Even if they are members of a party and don't revoke their membership?

 

if you vote republican, you are a republican
if you vote democrat, you are a democrat

that said, not forever, you can always change sides again at any time

 

If you are a registered member of the Democratic Party, you are a Democrat.
If you are a registered member of the Republican Party , you are a Republican.

 

You said, "It must be done in response to an actual or strongly perceived threat to their immediate well being. It cannot be done in an effort to try and dissuade someone from committing violence." If there is a threat of someone committing violence against me, then I would say that is a threat to my immediate well being. You seem to be saying two contradictory things.

 

Earlier in this thread, I asked the following question:

Are you saying that if an intruder breaks into someone's property and the home owner brandishes their weapon but doesn't fire it at the intruder but the threat is enough to make the intruder leave, that the home owner could get in trouble for brandishing? The response was YES! What do you think?

 

Whatever the situation, the girl was sentenced to 20 years and served 3 for firing a warning shot. Is that sensible justice? Seems to me that she shouldn't have served one single DAY for F sake! She was only trying to defend herself from her piece of human waste wife beater husband. The piece of crap is lucky that she didn't put one into him.

 

Why does it not matter that they were scared? Doesn't it explain why they didn't act perfectly? Or are you making the same argument as another member on here has made - that every single citizen should have self defense training and there's no excuse not to.

I see that she only served 3. Do you agree that someone should be sentenced to 20 years for firing a warning shot?

 

Again, I'm saying that in the example that you gave of a computer being seized from a house, the legal item being seized is NOT what the search warrant is ultimately aiming to find, but rather what is suspected to be CONTAINED on it. Remember, my initial statement was, "this seems to be a very different search warrant to most, which are looking for illegal things." In the case of a computer being seized, I would say that the cops are looking for illegal material which is suspected to be contained on it. Whereas a search warrant which is specifically looking for a gun is looking for a legal thing and I can't imagine that there would be too many other examples, although now that I think of it, I guess computers and phones can be seized for the legal documents contained on them which can be evidence of a crime - and physical documents too. And of course, also a gun when it is used in the way that you describe below. I wasn't initially thinking about search warrants searching for evidence which can LEAD to proof that a crime was committed, whereas the second that drugs are found, it's immediately obvious that a crime has been committed.

Yes, using the gun in this way is unarguably a crime given the harm that it could've caused, but then again, apparently it was also a crime using the gun in the way that the McCloskey's used it, just not in anywhere near the same way and in a way that - as far as I can tell - had ZERO potential to harm. I think the problem is that I couldn't accept that what they did with the gun was a crime.

Would having their front door kicked in and house ransacked by a search have been acceptable to you? I can understand this procedure for a drug raid, but not this. Do you think that it could have just as easily gone down in this way?

What do you think?

You were talking about a "motion to suppress the search or motion to demand a return of the property gets filed." If it is suppressed, then how can it become public?

 

Earlier in this thread, I asked the following question:

Are you saying that if an intruder breaks into someone's property and the home owner brandishes their weapon but doesn't fire it at the intruder but the threat is enough to make the intruder leave, that the home owner could get in trouble for brandishing? The response was YES! What do you think?

 

What may or not be thought by any particular individual is ultimately not of relevance to what is fact. The legal setup in the united states when it comes to the matter of defense is heavily nuanced and prone to fluctuation from one second to the next. One can be a victim of violent crime and justified in the use of deadly force against their assailant, but easily find themselves regarded as the legal aggressor if they do not respond fast enough because they were trying to line up their sights to avoid missing their target. As was the case with the incident with the individual Michael McGlockton.

 

and you can change at any time and vote however you want

 

Even though you go on to distinguish the USE of deadly force and the THREAT of the use of deadly force?

 

Sure, but if someone DOESN'T change their membership, they stop being a member of their party once they vote for a candidate from another party?

 

yep, they do, if they vote republican, they have to own it

 

So they would no longer be a MEMBER of the party which they are a MEMBER of? Surely you can't be serious!

 

You asked who had been prosecuted. My answer was Reality Winner.

Reality Winner was prosecuted, convicted and jailed.
A minnow received a measure of justice for her crimes.
Treacherous Deep State scum like Clapper, Brennan and Comey get a pass.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/23/reality-winner-alleges-dire-conditions-at-prison-f/

 

nope, if you vote for the other party, then you at least at that moment belong to the other party

 

I am an Independent and in the last general election I voted for both Republican and Democratic candidates. What party am I in? Are you suggesting my party affiliation changes as I work my way down the ballot?

 

you are an independent

 

Wise or not, their actions were understandable under the circumstances. I think it was unconstitutional and cowardly to confiscate their rifle. And I wonder how many from the criminal mob were arrested or charged with trespassing, the destruction of private property, intimidation and threats of violence. When the nations around Israel gathered their might to Israels border, Israel didn't rattle its sabers or brandish weapons. They all out attacked them hard.

 

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