Who's behind Trump's big polling deficit? Two key groups defecting to Biden

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  1. MCJWELLES

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    I agree- so why did "common sense" mysteriously "come upon" the president only as the polls continued to accelerate precipitously down hill? It is so uncharacteristic for him not to just double-down on his idiocies. I was thinking that he really didn't want a second term, or that he has a Plan B to re-election that has nothing to do with voting results-that is actually his Plan A (as if he "plans" anything ever and isn't too damned lazy to carry out a plan).
     
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    I am much more focused on the hundreds of thousands of dead from a virus that your President said would disappear like a miracle, the economy that is in a recession despite him saying that he created the greatest economy of all time, and the massive over-reach of federal government into local municipalities designed to usurp one of the last remaining norms of our Republic.

    But you focus on **** from 3.5 years ago if that helps to soothe your hurt feelings.
     
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    I'm of the same. When Trump first came on the voting scene as a candidate, I did not know anything about him. I didn't like Hilary Clinton so I thought I would listen to what he says and how he acts before expressing support from afar for either candidate. It didn't take me long to see what a disgusting man Trump is and could see that it would be an embarrassment for the country of the US to have him as President.

    My postings at the time was that the US population had the choice of the two worst candidates that could have been put up for election. However, from an entertainment point of view, Trump wins that hands down. That has not changed, he is an embarrassment to the country. I feel sorry for his supporters and those that have to justify things he says when he keeps flip flopping on every issue. How can they keep up?
     
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    Since I had very little political awareness at the time of the 2016 election, I was a little stunned when I first got on here (10/2017) and found the hatred of Hillary. Part of it seemed to be residual hatred of Bill, some of it was Benghazi, some of it was the Email situation, and some of it was just because she was a woman (although they won't admit it openly), but I didn't see it. I still say today that even if she may have been a flawed candidate on several levels, she would have a made a fine president, especially by current comparison.

    Which is the same general way I feel about Biden. He doesn't stimulate a lot of love, he's frankly a very boring speaker (compared to his old boss), and his age is a bit worrisome, but I'm fully convinced he'll be able to actually do the JOB with the proper support he'll be able to bring in. I would really love him to commit to being a 1 term president sooner than later, since I cannot see him running in 2024.

    I would have voted Amy K if she had still been in the race when my state primaried. I like people with a genuine sense of humor and thought her combination of gender, age, Midwest location, moderate vibe, and solid experience in the Senate would have been a tough beat and harder person to run against.

    Cheers!
     
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    President Trump’s approval ratings are in. He is enjoying a 49% approval rating – better than Obama’s at the same respective time period in his Presidency.
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    They Can't Wait To Vote Trump!​


    Trump Thanks Rioters For His Polling Improvement.

    This is terrible news for the Democrats, who bring a horrible candidate to the 2020 Presidential election.

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    Trump’s approval rating is better than Obama’s at the respective same time in his Presidency:

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    The Democrats’ policies of destroying cities are not popular to Americans.

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  6. MrTLegal

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    I love how you think Rasmussen is the only poll that needs your attention, especially in light of the fact that Rasmussen's last poll in 2018 suggested that House Republicans would earn more votes than House Democrats.
     
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    id, didn't you mean IQ
     
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    And with all of that dubious crap (there is ZERO pct chance 49% of black people approve of Donald J. Trump), Rasmussen still has him down 2 points to Biden nationally, making them a clear outlier by at least 5 points...

    But next time, I suggest adding a few memes to help make your point...
     
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    Pre C19 I considered Bunker Boy a shoe in, no contest. Economy was good, unemployment very low and it looked rather good for the middle class, regaining some of the lost wealth.
    C19 showed that he lacked all the qualities of proper crisis management.
    Just saying every thing is great did not cut it.
    He failed completely as a leader, could not bring the country to gather and develop a unified strategy.
    Than came the Floyd murder added to the chaos.
    Now C19 has very much a free reign.
    The economy is in a free-fall, around 40 million unemployed.
    Still we get "we are doing great and the world admires us "
    Bunker Boy won with those 83,000 votes in the rust belt. Very tiny margin.
    Bunker Boy did not win the election, Clinton lost the election.
    The huge margin of independent voters, who voted against Clinton, will probably vote this time against Bunker Boy, that is the problem he has.
     
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    Good points, but I disagree with your very first sentence.. Trump was still in the lead in some of the swing states he is now apparently losing, but I still think the 3 wayward sister states were coming home where they belong, meaning it was going to be a very close election Pre C19....
     
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    I think, pre-c19 it would have been a easy election campaign for him, good economy, not much to say there, unemployment the same.
    He could have concentrated on his pet subjects, Wall, China, EU and the bad Germans, " so unfair ".
    Really easy subjects, more gut feeling subjects, about which 90% of US voters have no knowledge at all. He could have told them any kind of nonsense and they would have been ok with it.
    , As long as they have a job and the economy is ok.

    He would have beaten Biden with both hands tied behind his back and one food nailed to the floor.
    I like Biden, he is a very good and descend man, was a very good V. Will probably make a descend President, If elected.
    But he not really a great candidate by any means. He is just a very descend person, Grandpa Joe.
    Bunker Boy with a good economy backing him up, would have taken Biden apart and people would have loved it, bread and games.
    Roman Circus.
    That's what US election are.

    But now with c19 and Bunker Boy screwing it up, Grand Pa Joe might look rather good.
    People do not mind chaos if things are going well, it has entertainment value, but if things go bad, they look for guidance, steadiness, the arm around the shoulder, Mutti, Grandpa.
    I think that is the appeal of Biden and will win over the independent voters, which always decide the elections.
     
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    Biden has been letting the media run his campaign while he hides out in his basement, is that how he would also govern? what kind of qualities does a mentally impaired Joe Biden bring to the office? Good grief............he has swam in the DC swamp for nearly 50 years, his only "quality" before was glad-handing and enriching his family, now he struggles completing a thought.

    Why would independents vote him? Obama's own Secretary of Defense said that he has "been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades." and that was before his dementia set in.
     
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    Trump's Secretary of State called Trump a ****ing moron.

    Please spare me this nonsense about "mentally impaired." Trump suggested injecting disinfectants as a potential treatment for Covid-19.

    And the reason why Biden is not exposing himself to a lot of media interviews and appearances is because his current strategy is working. Biden is letting his best surrogate do most of the work for him - and his best surrogate is Donald Trump
     
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    That's all he has to do, just put out some statements, low level, Bunker Boy is doing the rest for him.

    You sound defensive, Obama ?
     
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    It is simply ridiculous to call a virus the President's fault, but you keep focusing on that. And keep ignoring the decay of this nation that is directly aligned with the large cities lead by Democrats! Failure is squarely on the shoulders of liberals. How much did Obama do for the inner cities of this nation? And didn't he have a filibuster proof congress for his first two years. Keep ignoring these facts with all the rest of the liberals!
     
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    The Virus is not Bunker Boy's fault.
    Nobodies fault.
    The fault is how you handle it.
    China screwed it up bad, Italy and Austria, too

    But it is how you deal with the lessons.
    Has nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans, its how you deal with it.
    Europe is an example.
    US politics do not matter to the virus, it loves it.
    No leadership is the virus lover.
    It loves the US.

    Obama, really, I mean reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallly.
     
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    Man, those last four sentences would be amazing campaign messages...eight years ago. All the "decay" that is happening right now? It happened under Trump's watch.

    And no, I don't blame Trump for the virus. I blame Trump for his failure to protect American lives from the virus.
     
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    I think he's letting Trump run his campaign and, whoddathunkit(?), Don's knocking it out of the park?
     
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    Have you FORGOTTEN that your Covidiot-in-Chief MOCKED Biden for wearing a mask on Memorial Day?

    How many LIVES would have been SAVED if your Covidiot-in-Chief had advocated using masks back in March?
     
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    What many Americans do not realize is that our nation's inner-city development is largely dependent on state and local officials. There is only so much that the president can do (such as allocating federal funds ) but if governors and state representatives are incapable of implementing effective policies for their respective jurisdictions, it's hard for change to occur.

    In cities such as Detroit, Obama fought to pass large funding bills which directly benefited public transportation, public housing as well as resources for the fire and police departments. With the president's Every Student Succeeds Act, not only did he replace George W. Bush's No Child Left Behind Act — perhaps one of the worst education reforms ever put in place — he also returned a significant amount of power and decision-making abilities back to the states, a move that Republicans have fought for tirelessly over the years.
    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...ter-the-president-inner-city-reform-starts-at
     
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    Most people wouldnt have even bothered with a mask back in March no matter what Trump said. In realty if Trump had advocated something you libs would have been against it anyway.
     
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    Bush 2 and Obama both took heat for the way they responded to their disease crisis.

    You're supposed to man up and deal with it.

    Trump didn't.
     
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    Thank you for AGREEING that your Covidiot-in-Chief abjectly FAILED to do his job of PROTECTING We the People.
     
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    Not his job, sorry.
     

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