Atheists Who Celebrate All The Good That God Causes.

Yet again with another poster you completely ignore the argument and focus on the poster and your imaginary assertions of what they think.

 

Yet again with another poster you completely ignore the argument and focus on the poster and your imaginary assertions of what they think.

It appears that you only wish to preach your narrow and closed minded view of Christianity and not defend what you think is your logic in any way.

You debate strawman atheists rather than the real thing, by doing so you avoid any actual debate and just debate with your strawman, in effect debating with yourself!

 

I should have separated Swennsen comment from the Assume comment. I have read many of your discussions.

Atheists Who Celebrate All The Good That God Causes.
Regardless of anything else you have posted - this is an assumption.
A. That God exists.
B. That atheists celebrate these things because Gods exists.

Anyone really seeking after the truth does not have the room for biases. . That's where religions hold their people in check. Keep them believing what they are told. The worst thing for any religion is someone querying the 'churches' teaching. They might actually find the truth. Can anyone finding the truth be biased? Truth is truth. What I and many others have studied are proven facts. Facts that you don't believe you tell me.

I don't need to be biased - weigh one thing against another - in respect of the Bible. Factually it's simply what I have posted. You look at it 'in faith' ignoring the facts. That's being biased.

Of course, the fact that you are on record here as being against Biblical based Christianity
does not even slightly influence your conclusions. Oh no, not any at all.

What I post on here is simply the result of my conclusions.from years of study. People like yourself are not prepared really study outside the Bible. And if you come up against something that doesn't fit in with your beliefs you reject it out of hand.

 

False.
And not only False, but absurd too.
Why absurd?
Because I have explained it dozens of times in this thread and YOU claim to "have read many of your discussions"
with Swensson and you DO know what I have said. In fact you quoted it. So you DO know --- but you have made
a Free Will choice to IGNORE it and continue to post your FALSE absurd conclusions.

But I will once again explain it to you:

Here it is:

See the bolded red.


JAG Writes About What Some Atheists Say:
{1) I am an atheist.
{2} i don't believe in God.
{3} But He may exist.
{4} I can't prove He does.
{5} I can't prove He doesn't.
{6} The Bible says He is Omnipotent.
{7} That means He is all powerful.
{8} He could have created a different world.
{9} But He did not do that.
{10} He created the world we now have.
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
{12} Therefore God is responsible for bone cancer in children.
{13} I want to be consistent with this principle. {That is, the principle in # 11 }
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

Many atheists want it both ways.
They want to say that the "God-That-Does-Not-Exist causes
or is ultimately responsible for the evil in the world. They say
this in threads all the time. They base this on {6} through {12} up
there. Atheists do not believe there is a God, but they postulate
that God does exist for the sake of argument and then they say
He would be evil because of 6 - 12
So? So if {6} through {12} are not true, then they ought to stop
claiming that the God-That-Does-Not-Exist is ultimately responsible
for the evil in the world.
And if {6} through {12} is true, then God is also responsible for causing
the good in the world, Hospitals, Warm Beaches, the Red Cross, etc
and we're back to {13} and {14} being true.

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Trevorw Writes:
Regardless of anything else you have posted - this is an assumption.
A. That God exists.
B. That atheists celebrate these things because Gods exists.

JAG Has Explained Dozens Of Times:
Atheists do not believe there is a God, but they postulate
that God does exist for the sake of argument and then they say
He would be evil because of 6 - 12

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:Lets do it again.

Trevorw Writes:
Regardless of anything else you have posted - this is an assumption.
A. That God exists.
B. That atheists celebrate these things because Gods exists.

JAG Has Explained Dozens Of Times:
Atheists do not believe there is a God, but they postulate
that God does exist for the sake of argument and then they say
He would be evil because of 6 - 12

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But that was not clear enough for you.
Lets do ti again:

Trevorw Writes:
Regardless of anything else you have posted - this is an assumption.
A. That God exists.
B. That atheists celebrate these things because Gods exists.

JAG Has Explained Dozens Of Times:
Atheists do not believe there is a God, but they postulate
that God does exist for the sake of argument and then they say
He would be evil because of 6 - 12

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Now be sure to post back and tell me that atheists do not really believe that God exists.

And be sure to post back and repeat this absurd nonsense:

Trevorw Writes:
"Regardless of anything else you have posted - this is an assumption.
A. That God exists.
B. That atheists celebrate these things because Gods exists."___Trevorw

Trevorw, be sure to IGNORE this:

JAG Has Explained Dozens Of Times:
Atheists do not believe there is a God, but they postulate
that God does exist for the sake of argument and then they say
He would be evil because of 6 - 12

Come on trevorw tell me this below AGAIN;
""Regardless of anything else you have posted - this is an assumption.
A. That God exists.
B. That atheists celebrate these things because Gods exists."___Trevorw

Trevorw be sure to keep on IGNORING this:

JAG Has Explained Dozens Of Times:
Atheists do not believe there is a God, but they postulate
that God does exist for the sake of argument and then they say
He would be evil because of 6 - 12

_______________


JAG Writes About What Some Atheists Say:
{1) I am an atheist.
{2} i don't believe in God.
{3} But He may exist.
{4} I can't prove He does.
{5} I can't prove He doesn't.
{6} The Bible says He is Omnipotent.
{7} That means He is all powerful.
{8} He could have created a different world.
{9} But He did not do that.
{10} He created the world we now have.
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
{12} Therefore God is responsible for bone cancer in children.
{13} I want to be consistent with this principle. {That is, the principle in # 11 }
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

Many atheists want it both ways.
They want to say that the "God-That-Does-Not-Exist causes
or is ultimately responsible for the evil in the world. They say
this in threads all the time. They base this on {6} through {12} up
there. Atheists do not believe there is a God, but they postulate
that God does exist for the sake of argument and then they say
He would be evil because of 6 - 12
So? So if {6} through {12} are not true, then they ought to stop
claiming that the God-That-Does-Not-Exist is ultimately responsible
for the evil in the world.
And if {6} through {12} is true, then God is also responsible for causing
the good in the world, Hospitals, Warm Beaches, the Red Cross, etc
and we're back to {13} and {14} being true.

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Just continue to IGNORE all that up there Trevorw.

Come on Trevorw tell me this below AGAIN;
""Regardless of anything else you have posted - this is an assumption.
A. That God exists.
B. That atheists celebrate these things because Gods exists."___Trevorw

JAG Has Explained Dozens Of Times:
Atheists do not believe there is a God, but they postulate
that God does exist for the sake of argument and then they say
He would be evil because of 6 - 12


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You can run and hide from the Truth if you like

 

Again you ignore what atheists say and result to arguing with your imaginary strawman atheists!
Amazing that even when arguing with your imaginary strawman atheist you lose the debate!

 

Nevermind ignoring Atheists - Jag ignores what non Atheists have to say - and ignores what Jesus has to say.

 

Certainly not going to disagree with you there but this whole thread is based on the ideas of a strawman atheist that does not exist!
It would be nice if he just argued the point rather than just argue the poster!

 

I see. You are the sort to invite a discussion and then back out immediately when the other person doesn't hold your views or finds your views distasteful. I'll ignore you going forward. You are exactly what I hoped you wouldn't be. I hope there are others here who are not so insular.

 

Exactly. He refuses to address the answers to the question/complaint that he continuously beats the drum for asking and complaining again and again.

He wants us to "celebrate" an imaginary tyrant. And he initially held me up as an example of somebody engaging in good faith and answering his challenge directly, and then immediately turned on and ignored me when he realized my honest answer didn't serve his agenda.

 

That is almost too silly to comment on but - yes - the OP is fallacious gibberish starting out with the nonsensical assumed premise that God causes Good in the world.

What I find offensive - is these folks "Tim Tebow - Football Player" who would run around crying "Thank you Jesus" after a good play - as if Jesus somehow favors his team over the other.

What you don't notice however - is Timmy cursing Jesus when something bad happens.

 

As George Carlin once said, God gets all the credit and none of the blame. Its a pretty good racket.

And to again directly answer the OP, if an all powerful God did exist, then he'd be responsible for both the good and the bad, but being all powerful, he could be judged as bad if everything isn't good. If he wasn't all powerful, then he may have reasonable excuses and may even be worth "celebrating".

 

Exactly - God creates a machine with the capacity to do evil - but when that machine does evil - its not God's fault - but then the machine does good - God gets the credit.

These so called "Christians" who spout such mindless illogical nonsense are an embarrassment to Christianity. Not all Christians are idiots.

 

Post deleted by JAG
Tech error

 

Ok, this was interesting:

Note how polarized, tribal and us vs them JAG makes this out to be. Because we don't agree with his views or follow his teachings, we are not just wrong. We are the enemy,

He claims trevorw is biased and saturated with false liberal presuppositions but refuses to point any out, which could make for actual conversation.

The term "intellectually disinterested seeker" is an interesting one. A seeker who isn't interested intellectually? Like a drone?

Edited to add: After I wrote the above, JAG deleted the quoted post. What are we to make of that? He doesn't actually regard trevorw as he said he did?

 

What we see again is simply an attack on the poster no attempt whatsoever to address the arguments.

Quite how from trevorw posts you can make the assertion that he is an ideological enemy of theism is rather weird. Theism merely states that a god exists beyond that it is not an ideology anymore than atheism is.

 

Frankly I question his moral right to be listened to. In a previous post he puts to one side any fact that he doesn't agree with, claiming he 'sees facts in a different way'.
In my book facts are facts, like them for not. The fact is that the Bible fails to live up the 'the Word of God' in a rather spectacular way.

Jag quote. AG Has Explained Dozens Of Times:
Atheists do not believe there is a God, but they postulate
that God does exist for the sake of argument and then they say
He would be evil because of 6 - 12.

I don't know an atheist that 'postulates' that god exists simply for argument and certainly not that he would necessarily be evil. No sane man believes the vengeful god of the OT. It was just the Jewish way of explaining why things happened - both good and bad. It was nearly always the result of their own actions and not attributable to any god. Christianity has adapted this to 'if god answers my prayer it is his will, if he doesn't it is not his will'. 'God is punishing me with a broken wrist because I hit my neighbour too hard'. Well you shouldn't have hit your neighbour. .

 

I frankly question your moral right to be listened to.

LOL You have no idea what you are talking about.
You have no idea what this thread is about.
Read this below and then post your usual denial of reality:


"Your Bible stories depict a God who demands obedience but who fails to earn it.
Your bible pushes that might makes right and substitutes obedience to power for
morality. That is why it is dangerous, and yes, evil." __Jolly Penquin


I was 100% correct when I said the following:


JAG Has Explained Dozens Of Times:
Atheists do not believe there is a God, but they postulate
that God does exist for the sake of argument and then they say
He would be evil because of 6 - 12."___JAG


Read it again:
LOL You have no idea what you are talking about.
You have no idea what this thread is about.
Read this below and then post your usual denial of reality:

"Your Bible stories depict a God who demands obedience but who fails to earn it.
Your bible pushes that might makes right and substitutes obedience to power for
morality. That is why it is dangerous, and yes, evil." __Jolly Penquin

"Your Bible stories depict a God who demands obedience but who fails to earn it.
Your bible pushes that might makes right and substitutes obedience to power for
morality. That is why it is dangerous, and yes, evil." __Jolly Penquin


LOL
Funny stuff to be sure.
And that Jolly Penquin example up there is just one of thousands of examples of atheists in Forums on the Internet At large
that postulate that God exists simply for arguments sake and then say He would be evil because of my 6 -12.
You do NOT know what you are talking about and that is a Fact.

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JAG Writes About What Some Atheists Say:
{1) I am an atheist.
{2} i don't believe in God.
{3} But He may exist.
{4} I can't prove He does.
{5} I can't prove He doesn't.
{6} The Bible says He is Omnipotent.
{7} That means He is all powerful.
{8} He could have created a different world.
{9} But He did not do that.
{10} He created the world we now have.
{11} That means He is responsible for all that exists.
{12} Therefore God is responsible for bone cancer in children.
{13} I want to be consistent with this principle. {That is, the principle in # 11 }
{14} Therefore God is also responsible for Hospitals and the Red Cross

Many atheists want it both ways.
They want to say that the "God-That-Does-Not-Exist causes
or is ultimately responsible for the evil in the world. They say
this in threads all the time. They base this on {6} through {12} up
there. Atheists do not believe there is a God, but they postulate
that God does exist for the sake of argument and then they say
He would be evil because of 6 - 12
So? So if {6} through {12} are not true, then they ought to stop
claiming that the God-That-Does-Not-Exist is ultimately responsible
for the evil in the world.
And if {6} through {12} is true, then God is also responsible for causing
the good in the world, Hospitals, Warm Beaches, the Red Cross, etc
and we're back to {13} and {14} being true.

 

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant
character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust,
unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser;
a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal,
pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously
malevolent bully.”__The atheist Richard Dawkins

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He postulates that God exists so he can attack the
God-That-Does-not-Exist.

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Sayeth the atheist Epicurus , , ,

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" – Epicurus

He postulates that God exists so he can attack the
God-That-Does-not-Exist.

 

postulate -- suggest or assume the existence, fact, or truth of (something) as a basis for reasoning, discussion . . .

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant
character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust,
unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser;
a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal,
pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously
malevolent bully.”__The atheist Richard Dawkins


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He postulates that God exists to show the huge logical contradiction of the god that Christians believe in, contradictions you cannot argue against so you result to ignoring or insulting the poster!

 

He postulates that god exists to show the huge logical contradiction of the god that Christians believe in, contradictions you cannot argue against so you result to ignoring or insulting the poster!

No one attacks your god just the cognitive dissonance that you have to live with in order to believe in a kind and loving god that allows evil!

 

As in to assume the existence of a god to show how the Bible contradicts itself over and over, using logic to show the inadequacy of a 2000 year old book in modern times with advanced morals!

 

Frankly I question your moral right to be listened to. See below
for why.

That is a falsehood.
That is nothing but YOUR atheist "spin" that YOU put on what
I said, which was this:

JAG Previously Wrote:
{1} I believe in keeping it simple.
{2} I believe Christianity is a Faith.
{3} I believe Christianity is true.
{4} Christianity is NOT an intellectualized philosophical system built on
Empiricism and Rationalism --- rather it is built upon Faith.
{5} So? So I look at the 66 books of the Protestant canon as being assembled
by the Providence of the Sovereign God. They are what God wanted us to have.
{6} So I disregard how the books were assembled because it does not matter
since I believe 1,2,3 4, 5 and 7
{7} I believe the finished product is all that matters and not how the finished
product was assembled or what sources were used to finish them.
________

{8} You will probably say that my 6 and 7 are irrational and illogical.
{9} But you will ALSO probably say that my 2 and 3 are ALSO irrational and illogical.
(10} So? So its not unusual for non-believers to believe that Faith is irrational and illogical.
{11} Or that Christianity is irrational and illogical.

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I never said that I looked at facts in a different way.
My 1 - 7 up there explained what I believe.
I told you that I do NOT agree with "your facts."
In my book what YOU call "facts" is what I call LIES.
You speak a FALSEHOOD when you say I said
I look at facts in a different way.
My view is "your facts" are LIES.

JAG