Reperations for Segregation!!

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We should have a massive program of reperations for the persecution, suffering and discrimination blacks went through under Segregation aka Jim Crow.

    By the force of many states and even the Federal govt, blacks were denied fair housing, education, the right to vote, police protection, decent medical care.

    They were relegated to 2nd class citizenship, even as many of them served bravely and proudly in our military conflicts.

    Segregation ended in the 1970s, no system to repair the damage done and make amends for the crimes committed, has been established.

    I suggest a massive system of reperations to include the following: free college education for all African-Americans, free job training for all African-Americans, federally funded zero tax zones in black communities to create well paid middle class jobs, interest free business loans to African-American entrepreneurs and direct financial compensation to blacks who suffered violence during the period of Jim Crow. Money shall also be spent to directly improve infrastructure in black communities. Blacks shall also all be issued a free voter ID card by the Feds and shall have the automatic option to vote by mail in all elections.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By the way, descendants of immigrants who came to the USA after 1975 shall not be eligible for any of these benefits.
     
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    What about reparations for slavery?
     
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    Wish in one hand and crap in the other...
     
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    I totally agree. Since the Democrats are responsible for owning slaves and, passing the Jim Crow laws, voting and voting against making Blacks citizens and giving them the right to vote and voted against desegregation time and again, all Democrats can pay reparations and make it a hefty price tag.
     
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    This is a very complicated issue. Racism as we now see is deeply ingrained in our country. It may no longer be Jim Crow or even plain old segregation, but it still exists as part of the American DNA.

    Traditional talk of reparations only further drifts the two sides and does little to create an egalitarian society. I'm all for hearing novel suggestions for bridging the gap and creating a more fair and just society, but we also cannot further alienate people either, regardless of what we may think of those who still cling to racist tropes and misconceptions.
     
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    A country with "deeply ingrained" racism elected a black man as president, not once but twice :)
     
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    Thanks for providing an example of that deeply ingrained racism as demonstrated by your post.
     
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    I would suggest that you look up the definition of "racism" because it does not mean what your post implies it means.
     
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    I can appreciate your sentiments but reparations would only benefit the current generation who have no idea what it was like to live in Jim Crow America and have a really distorted view of racism. Reparations should have occurred during the reconstruction years accompanied by laws that prohibited segregation and discrimination. Had that happened then there would never have been a need for the Civil Rights movement and we would not be experiencing the politically inspired division that is killing America today. Jim Crow ended close to sixty years ago, any black person who remembers it would be a senior citizen now. How about we take care of them with decent housing and services plus say a couple of thousand a month to augment their Social Security and whatever retirement they may have. It wouldn't make up for those awful times but it would make their lives more comfortable now.
     
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    I would add full federal funding for K-12 schools in those communities. Enough to ensure the highest quality of education. As well as a "school salary" to the families with children in those schools and bonuses based on academic achievement, and which would continue for those who choose to go on to College. As well as higher salaries for teachers and staff who teach in those schools.
     
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    What would that accomplish? Are you aware of what goes on in inner city public schools? I would assign NEGATIVE value to those schools. We wouldn't put our kids into those school systems at gunpoint. Any black person who sends their child to an inner city public school is damning them. The problem with inner city schools is cultural not financial. You would know this if you spent 20 years at one like my wife did.
     
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    AND God bless your wife.
     
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    Everyone for reparations should have to submit a detailed plan.
     
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    Yes, lets punish people who had nothing to do with segregation. Excellent idea. Almost as excellent as the idea of segregation itself.
     
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    How about having people pay reparations who had ancestors who fought against the Union in the Civil War? Shouldn't they pay something to the relatives for killing all the Union soldiers?
     
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    No. They had nothing to do with it.
     
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    When you learn how to spell REPARATIONS we might take you seriously.
     
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    But first they should learn how to spell reparations first.
     
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    There isn’t a place on the planet that has an innocent history. I’m Irish on my fathers side and my German Jew maternal grandparents fled Alsace Lorraine to escape Hitler. Cry me a F’n river. Blacks don’t need handouts like some subhuman species, they just need a level playing field where the can earn a living and enjoy the self respect and dignity that goes along with doing so. Enough of this do gooder liberal crap. Your ideas are why 75% of black kids are growing up in a broken home now.
     
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    I support pretty much the opposite. I'd like to see Federal Land and infrastructure allocated to Black Separatists to voluntarily form their own black communities. On an entirely voluntary basis and maintaining all civil rights, of course. Any blacks that wish to live elsewhere shall of course remain free to do so, and any public spaces in Black Separatist communities shall remain open to all the public.

    It is demonstrably clear that black communities were more healthy for some blacks, even during segregation (which was absolutely wrong as a mandated institution) than todays so-called 'integrated' communities where blacks are subject to local laws primarily made by people from outside their communities (often whites).

    I think some black people would prosper more in their own ethnohomogenous communities. They could, of course, rejoin the rest of us any time they chose to.

    And yes, I think whites and asians and innuit and everyone else should be able to separate (some say self-segregate, as long as that still means voluntary) as well.
     
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    Other than being extremely discriminatory, I have a few questions.

    If blacks received a free college education, how many do you think would take advantage of it? How many would even have the grades to qualify for it. Right now, today, thousands of blacks go to college for free based on athletic scholarships. With so many blacks getting a free college education, shouldn't we see the results of that education?

    Job training, on what? Many companies prefer to do their own training and Amazon, FedEx, etc are not really the kinds of jobs where someone needs to go to school to learn how to do it. If you mean job training for trade skills, again how many blacks would take advantage of it, and where would the jobs be since illegals now do many of those jobs.

    I was not involved with voting for or implementing Jim Crow laws, so why should I have to pay for all this stuff through my taxes? In this country we do not punish innocent people.

    Finally, I'd like to see you make a prediction. If every black person was offered free college and job training, how many do you think would take it and what would the black world look like 25 years from now? If you say it would look great, then that means blacks can do today what you believe they can do tomorrow. And for some strange reason, your post reeks of blacks not being able to do anything unless someone does something for them first. In other words, your post is racist.
     
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    You seem to be unaware that vast and expensive efforts to do that have been going on since the days of Lyndon Johnson, near 70 years. Also unaware that everybody has difficult things to face in life- discrimination on the basis of race is only one of a great many. The challenges of life separate the trah from the treasure- regardless of color. When I was a small boy, there was a black man in my neighborhood that nearly everyone saluted as a greeting. He had been with the Tuskeegee Airmen; I don't know if he was a pilot or a ground man, but even in the early 50's, this man was universally viewed as a special kind of hero. It was kind of an honor to have known him and acknowledge him. He earned it.

    I say the good, responsible black citizens of this nation would consider most reparations ideas as an insult, and those who take what they can get free will spit on you for it in return. They need to have the opportunity to return to the motherland to see what a great life they would have had if their distant ancestors weren't slaves.... See what kind of country black people there built instead. Of course, the blacks in the homeland were taking and selling their own kind as slaves within the country long before any white traders moved them here, and slavery still existed there in the living memory of most people. I'd buy a one-way ticket for any black who thinks that would have been a better deal- but they can't ever come back. Limited offer. As literacy is around 50% and income $250 a month, things like potable water and medical care unavailable in most places- shouldn't be any worse than what they claim is going on here.
     
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    So you think reparations for the Jews who survived the Holocaust was a bad thing??
     

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