Ukraine will become a developed country

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  1. Interaktive

    Interaktive Well-Known Member

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    Ukraine will become a developed country. Thanks to the Americans. They drove the Russians out of Germany and Ukraine. Under the new laws of Ukraine, we can catch up with Poland in development. Ukrainian first-graders may no longer learn Russian, but can develop Ukraine and learn Ukrainian well.
     
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    It can't have helped that the communists wiped out a significant portion of the entrepreneurial class. It takes generations to recover from that.
     
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    how hard is it to open up a lemonade stand?
     
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    And you think that is all there is to entrepreneurialism...
     
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    Anywhere where you have Russkis involved....there will be poverty and strife. Misery likes company.
     
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    It's very hard to say whether Ukraine has the potential to become as developed as Russia, or Poland.

    However, one would think it should at least be possible to catch up with its neighbor to the south, Romania.
     
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    Ukraine is a region,

    never a "nation"

    From its' inception,
    when threatened it moved to Novgorod to avoid an ass whipping.
    They be, the Rus. As in Russia.


    [​IMG]

    Ukraine deserves a safe space from
    Western Polish Roman Catholic agitators.


    Moi :oldman:


     
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    Yep. The Ukies are minority Cossacks. There's a reason it was called Kievan Rus for centuries...not "Kyivan".

    If our stupid ass U.S. politicians keep sending 'infrastructure' aid to Ukraine then after the corrupt turds that are Ukrainian politicians divert most of it to their pockets, maybe there will be a little left over to do some good but I doubt it. U.S. taxpayers sent $500 million to Ukraine in the last few years 'to rebuild the infrastructure in the Donbass region'. Of course the Ukrainian government doesn't even control that region, so it's just a big scam. When I was there last year I counted a dozen new mid and high rise condo projects under construction thanks to your tax money.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't believe that's really true. The Cossacks were mostly pushed out and overwhelmed by an influx of ethnic peoples equivalent to Russians centuries ago. Especially during the time of Catherine the Great. The Ukrainians and Russians are essentially ethnically identical. (Although there may be somewhat of a spectrum)
     
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    Technically you're correct about being ethnically similar or even identical for most of them. @Moi621 's map above makes my point. Ukrainians have fallen for the fake news propaganda of their local politicians who use them as pawns to line their pockets and political gain. If there is or was a true 'Ukrainian', then they are descendants of the Cossack minority. The vast majority of the peoples in 'Ukraine' are Russian....even though some are too stupid to realize it.
     
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    Ukrainian and Russian are also extremely similar languages, almost just different dialects of the same language.
     
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    Lol.....spoken like a true Asiatic Katsap......this so called "region" you talk about existed long before Moscow/Muscovy/ Russia itself was even an entity.

    Moscow was a big swamp with bears ****ing in the woods nearby.....what inhabitants there were , were licking the boots clean off of Ghengis Khan and his tribe.

    Moskolia is an Asiatic fiefdom....it has no ****ing European roots whatsoever.
     
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    Provide accurate #s for this vast majority Archie.....last I checked 78% identified as Ukranian....21% as Russki vatniks. Let's not forget about the great famine the Georgian idiot Koba gruzin instigated that wiped off millions.

    Seems you get your info from some brick **** house walls like Pravda or RT.....probably why you were banned once before.:)).
     
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    I would love to agree with you but I'm skeptical.
     
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    Why did Poland succeed, but Ukraine fails? Ukraine was developed in the USSR
     
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    Russians are talking like crazy about Ukraine and the United States. And the Americans are not interested in Russia. I respect you for that.
     
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    Very hard in a 'state knows best' mentality.

    A 5 year old was shut down in England by a local authority, and ingrates on my FB supported it spouting nonsense about health and safety; and this is UK; think what it's like in a more horrid regime.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40679075
    It's a disease to think the state knows what's best for you; a sickness of the mind spoon fed by societies in the wrong.
     
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    That's a good question. I don't really know the answer to that.
    I think one of the main reasons is the Ukraine is more like Russia except without the natural resources.
    Poland has always been like somewhere in the middle between Germany and Russia. They've also benefitted from closer ties with the EU trade zone, which help gave them a good start. Many Polish people worked in other countries, in Germany, the UK and Ireland, bringing back money to Poland that helped their country in the earlier days. In many ways Poland has the advantages of other EU countries but with much lower rates of foreign immigration, which has been advantageous to their situation.

    The Ukraine is geographically farther away from the center of economic activity in Europe.

    One other additional historical reason, which you've pointed out, the Soviets imposed their system much more strictly on the Ukraine, whereas gave Poland a little more flexibility.

    Corruption may have something to do with it too. Poland has a higher percentage of devout religious people which might translate into less corruption. The Ukraine has less of a sense of national unity than Poland, because they are more diverse, that could also have increased the corruption rate.
     
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    The city of Lviv in western Ukraine is similar to Poland. Catholics and Lutherans live there. They voted for Poroshenko
     
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    Big Two G2 USA and China
    China is definitely cooler than Russia
    But Europe has a higher standard of living than the United States
    The Russian Federation does what it wants and does in the South-East of Ukraine, with the support of China
     
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    I am German. My best friend is Americans. I love Ukrainian girl
     
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    Learning Russian as a foreign language would not be the worst idea.

    Beyond that, I can understand many Ukrainians are angry at Russia. They were treating the Ukraine like imperialists treat smaller nations. I understand however that Russia sees this in a global game between imperialist nations as payback for Yugoslavia.
     
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    Depending on the potential customers ...



    ... sometimes they can be very difficult.
     
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    Why should Ukrainians communicate with Russians? It's unhealthy
     

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