Is the criminal justice system racist against African Americans?

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Is the American criminal justice system racially biased against African Americans?

  1. Absolutely, irredeemably so

    11 vote(s)
    21.2%
  2. Yes to a degree

    7 vote(s)
    13.5%
  3. Unable to really say

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  4. On the whole no although there are exceptions

    13 vote(s)
    25.0%
  5. Definitely not, it's an excuse for black criminality

    20 vote(s)
    38.5%
  1. kreo

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    It could be that they had a reason to that. It could be that someone used children to smuggle drugs, or used them to participate in other crimes.
    This is probability theory, not only police but all people are making decisions based on probability.
    How likely I will be robbed in black neighborhood vs white neighborhood e.g. if I am in the city of Chicago.
    There is nothing we can do about it, I don't think it is a racism.
     
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    They pulled them over because their licence plate number - from a different state - matched the licence plate of the stolen motorcycle. Not any other reason, by their own admission. So, a potentially stolen vehicle requires the handcuffing of a six year old? Can you imagine a six year old white girl being handcuffed and made to lay face down on the pavement?
     
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    The story - which has been admitted by police and inspired an apology to the family from police - is that they pulled them over as a suspected stolen vehicle. Never mind that it wasn't even the right type of vehicle. So, with a police apology, one can assume that's the whole story. Any thoughts on whether this is appropriate behavior for police? To handcuff and lay a six year old on the ground? Was she resisting and needed to be restrained? Do you have children?
     
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    Yes, sure, but that is how police works. They are not taking any chances.
    They thought probably that children are used to help to commit crime.
    I still do not see a racism here.
     
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    Your conclusions are short sighted. IF African Americans get heftier sentences (and I do not know the statistics), the hue of their skin has nothing to do with it. If what you say is true, blacks would get a better deal in cities where they control the politics. But, BLM is destroying BLACK controlled towns. So, they don't think they're getting a good deal off their own racial brethren.

    When determining the length or severity of a sentence, a lot of factors come into play. If a person is a career criminal with no visible means of becoming self sufficient, that must be considered. The severity of the crime must be considered. Is the defendant a gang member, member of a terrorist organization, and / or have violent posts on social media? Does the defendant have a strong enough family support system to make rehabilitation (community service, violence counseling, traffic school, family counseling etc.) a more viable option?

    Many people are in prison due to the simple fact that mental health is not regarded as an essential service. But, for every drug addict in a mental health facility, there are more than 10 drug addicts in prison. Those people have emotional issues and repeated violations of the law that one cannot afford tends to land them in prison for a longer amount of time. So, we're treating mental health issues with prison sentences. It don't have squat to do with race. Black culture is more prone to gang activity, drug distribution, and violence.
     
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    Possibly and I wouldn't have an issue with this, genuine mistake, the officers acted professionally at all times and released them once the mistake was realised, no harm, no foul. There is no racial profiling here, if the plates didn't appear to match the vehicle that was unequivocal RGTS.
     
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    No. I cannot imagine this happening to a White family. I hope they sue the Aurora Police Dept. That's disgusting.
     
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    So, you'd be OK if this happened to your daughter or granddaughter?
     
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    No matter what the story is, they were wrong to handcuff a 6 year old child. What could she do? Were they in fear for their lives?
     
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    Why wouldn't it happen to a white family? You see racism where there is none.
     
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    Flee and endanger herself or grab a weapon?
     
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    And I'd be fine with it, we were stopped and searched by the police and army every day when I was a kid and it was no big deal.
     
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    Here in the USA?
     
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    When factored for severity of crime, number of crimes charged and criminal history?
     
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    When crime starts poverty becomes a problem. We have spent trillions fighting "poverty" and it doesn't work until you address the crime and other behaviors in the community. Businesses do not remain in areas where they are subject to high crime and an labor force of low educational achievement and low quality of employee.
     
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    The car had been reported missing too and officers are trained to consider any stolen vehicle stop as a high risk stop until they can evaluates the situation.

    That old rest of the story thingy.
     
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    In fact, I have no problem with the stop. I do have a problem with four children laying on the pavement, face down. And apparently the PD agreed, as they have issued an apology.
     
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    The older kids for less than two minutes..so they can ascertain who is who........that rest of the story thingy. Had the PD not issued an apology, the need to do so notwithstanding, they would face riots andnthebpolice station being burned down.
     
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    It is all depend on circumstances, the situation has nothing to do with racism.
    My son was stopped by police in the black neighborhood, police searched his car from top to bottom.
    Since he was fully cooperative they did not force him to lay on the ground.
    But it happens almost every day, any white person e.g. in Gary, Indiana area can be stopped by police and car will be searched.
    No racism here whatsoever, except that police suspect drug deals, thinking there is absolutely no reason for white guy to be in the black neighborhood other then for drugs.
     
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    I have a friend that suggests you get the justice you can afford. Seems to be somewhat a true assessment to me.
     
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    I'm sure the 6 year old posed no threat. There was no reason to handcuff her and force her to lie on the ground.
    I believe racism played a part in this incident.
     
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    We already tried that with the War on Poverty. Trillions of dollars have been spent on anti poverty programs designed to help blacks. The results have been minimal. The War on Poverty has made welfare benefits easier to qualify for and more generous. It has not turned poor blacks into self supporting, law abiding, tax paying members of America's working class. If whites are responsible for black poverty, why do American Negroes have a higher standard of living than Negroes in any black run country in the world?
     
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    Wrong they havent really done much. Welfare and stamps are not directed at the minorities they go to all that are poor. Giving the kids a good education would go a lot further in the long run than giving them food stamps. Cleaning up the neighborhoods so there are not trashed up boarded up houses on every street would help as long as they do their part keeping it clean.... my main focus would be education tho they lack the education teachers and funds to give good schooling which then results into a lot of dropouts. After they quit school they usually go straight to the hangs and after that usually prison where we have to pay money on.
     
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    Is the criminal justice system racist against African Americans?

    I believe you would get a much more accurate response to this poll from the victims of the inner city violence that has been ravaging this country since the late 80’s.

    The answer to the poll question can be found in the answer to the question below.

    Is the #1 cause of death for a 15-35 year old black male racist against African Americans?
     
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    No, in Londonderry.
     

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