Palestinian Girl Cries As Israelis Bulldoze Her Home

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  1. Poohbear

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    Antisemitism is not being critical of Israel but of Jews - attacks on Jews, desecrating Jewish cemeteries,
    throwing Jews out of universities... that sort of thing. Actually lots of Israelis are critical of Israel. But one
    thing for sure - the Arabs were offered an extraordinary number of gifts but rejected nearly all of them. We
    need to be more critical of Palestinians for a change.
     
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    Well neither do I. Although, if it turned out to be a NON-terrorist family, how would you feel about it?
     
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    Isn't the only IMPORTANT question, who LIVED in the house?
     
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    Could you list those gifts please?
     
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    True.

    Similar to the gift of beads offered to the American Indians. They accepted and look what happened to them.

    Because they refuse to accept your bribes. You'll have to teach them a lesson, huh. You are (as we speak) "making them an offer they can't refuse" but I guess despite what has been said about Palestinian and Arab values they are not traitorous to their land and heritage.
     
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    Why does Israel use Twitter trolls? Probably to combat all the online Jew haters. Not like there's a shortage of those.

    The whole online slap fight PR battle looks pretty silly when you compare it to what's happening to the Palestinian refugees in places like in Syria, but, I guess if you think interwebs trolls are a worse threat to Palestinians than all that, then that's where you should focus your attention, in the twitterverse, and pay no attention to any of the real-world persecution of Palestinians by their Arab "allies".

    Now that the CyberJewWarrior nonsense is out of the way-

    Do you support the Martyr's Fund? Do you think it's a good idea? Or do you think rewarding the families of terrorists sends a terrible message about the priorities and tactics of the death cult that is Palestine?
     
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    I don't understand the question..
    Self determination could be recognized to nations without a country, how can an Israeli declare self determination ?
    Jews and Arabs got it a 100 years ago.
     
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    Season tickets to Leonard Cohen concerts.

    Saturday afternoon Bar-B-Q pork sausages

    Free baseball caps for the whole family …..

    Isi-caps.jpg
     
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    I can see how a "disproportionate Israeli response" could be argued, but are the rockets not a disproportionate Palestinian response to Israeli provocation?
     
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    Thank you, as I understand it you do not understand the basic law of your country, interesting response. As I understand it only a Jew has the right to self determination, is that not what the law says?
     
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    You're used to the European brand of nation. The Middle East is different.

    Israelis are not a nation. Jews are a nation. Israel is the country of the Jewish nation. Just like Japan is the country of the Japanese nation, China the country of the Chinese nation, Korea the country of the Korean nation.

    It stands to reason that Israel should promote Jewish settlement. It's the Jewish country.
     
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    If Jews are a nation, what are non Jews within the Jewish Nation?
     
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    No.
     
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    No, more similar to the gift offered to the Irish Republican Army during "the troubles" in Northern Ireland.

    The gift of peace.

    They accepted, and look what happened to them.


    But not similar, because Palestine will never accept peace, because it's a death cult.
     
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    There are no non-Jews within the Jewish nation. I think you mean Israeli non-Jewish citizens. They're just ordinary citizens, like everyone else.
     
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    And so it would appear is the IRA!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48553780
     
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    Without the right to self determination or encouragement to settlement, that is reserved only for Jews?
     
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    Hamas was offered the following -
    open borders with Israel
    rail link from Gaza to northern Israel
    industrial parks for employment
    international air port
    sea port
    financial support.

    Hamas rejected all this. It aint "beads"
     
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    Would you be happy to give up your land for the above? Lets say Muslims took over the USA but left you with the above in just the state of texas, would you be happy with that?
     
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    If the alternative was turning my kids into martyrs for the resistance death cult, I'd be perfectly happy to live in peace in Texas.
     
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    Have the Pakistanis in UK the right to national self determination as a Pakistani nation? Do they chose a parallel Pakistani government, are they encouraged to build Pakistani only cities?

    The right to national self determination in Israel is reserved to Jews in the international law. See The Document of the (very British) Mandate.
     
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    Thank you, I try to make it clear that my criticism of Israel's behavior is limited to the acts of the Israeli government and its Right Wing extremists who are no better or worse than any other Right Wing extremists because they are Jewish.

    I'm also fully aware that there are many courageous and ethical Israelis and former IDF members who see the futility and immorality of the Israeli government's ethnic cleansing agenda.

    I'm also aware that many of Israel's bright and generous people work and have worked to improve the lot of all mankind.
    In addition to archeological wonders, there is so much good that Israel has to offer that it is sadly eclipsed by its Right Wing's treatment of Palestine's native residents.

    To my knowledge, the only "gifts" that have been offered to Palestine's native residents has been small fractions of land they already owned.
    Since there are generations of Palestinians who have known nothing but the misery of harsh occupation and unconditional support by the US Government only serves to reward Israel's brutal occupation, I'm confident that hostilities will continue until the Israelis have some real incentive to make significant concessions.
     
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    In the UK we allow people to seek self determination, an analogy would be the Scottish Nation Party or Plaid Cymru we certainly do not curtail welsh settlement or scottish settlement in the UK as a whole.
    The UK does not differentiate between Welsh, Irish, Scottish or English citizens.
    So perhaps you could explain why Israel has to differentiate between Jews and Non Jews?
     
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    I think that you may not realize how pathetically ineffective Palestinian rockets really are.
    Contrary to IDF propaganda, tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed by the most sophisticated Israeli weaponry that US tax dollars can buy but only about 26 Israelis have been killed by all Palestinian rockets ever.(1)

    To get an idea of how disproportionate Israeli responses really are, I hope you'll read the following article in its entirety .... it's not that long.

    Thanks,

    “Dissecting IDF propaganda: The numbers behind the rocket attacks”
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/dissecting-idf-propaganda-the-numbers-behind-the-rocket-attacks/

    EXCERPTS "This is corroborated by the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC),

    Below is a list of all the fatalities of rocket and mortar attacks fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel in the entire history of these attacks. Throughout the years of rocket attacks into Israel, a total of 26 people have been killed altogether.

    For 2008, it is unknown how the IDF transformed eight fatalities into fifteen.

    After a full year of no Israelis being killed by rocket fire from Gaza, Israel had to invade Gaza, prompting the new killing of three Israeli civilians, which provides retroactive justification for the prompting itself.

    Still, this is part of the story. As much as the IDF loves to play with numbers, there are certain numbers that it avoids, such as the numbers behind the artillery fire leveled against Gaza, which rivals the number of rocket attacks from Gaza."CONTINUED
     

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