Biden says he’d be willing to shut country down to stop coronavirus if scientists recommended it

First off Biden seems to think he'd be elected king not president which itself is concerning. The president has no authority or ability to enforce a mandatory shutdown of the entire country. States would ignore his mandate and then what would he do? Bomb them maybe?
Beyond that though is the fact that if he could he would willingly send America into an economic death spiral based on what scientists tell him which is indicative of what he'd do with AGW and who knows what else. This man would destroy America if elected.


“I would shut it down; I would listen to the scientists,” Biden said, appearing alongside vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris in their first joint interview as the Democratic Party’s official nominees with ABC "World News Tonight"


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-willing-shut-country-down-again-coronavirus-scientists

 

Whatever it takes to stem the COVID-19 pandemic. I hope it's worth it.

 

What do you think he should have said on the matter? I bet people would be beside themselves if he said he would NOT listen to the scientists on this matter.

 

So you can't even include the lives that would be lost due to surgeries delayed, economy collapsed, suicides skyrocketing, drug use increased??
See Richard, A President has to look at all the angles. He is responsible for all. A candidate just shoots his mouth off and depends on a bunch of emotional lackeys to follow what makes them feel good. Sound familiar?

 

I don't like Biden as a candidate but I think the premise of his statement is fine. The idea of accepting the advice of qualified experts is a good start. He has to weigh that advice against other experts but at least he recognizes that he alone does not have the knowledge to make the decision. It would sure beat the statement "I would listen to the advice of a bunch of redneck high school drop outs on the handling of covid".

 

Interesting question - what is meant by "If Scientists Recommended" - which begs the question - "which scientists".

Are we talking about me ? one of millions of scientists .. and what about social scientists and other subject matter experts ... should they not have a say ?

Didn't click on the link but it is likely that this question was addressed - perhaps even the first question and go from there.. would be Tuckers first question.

So what to make of this statement other than political pandering ? - Not sure what Magneto whispering in Biden's ear is saying.



Couldn't find the exact "whispering in the ear" scent but -- this one will do

 

"Experts"

The magic word that, when spoken, shuts down all debate and suspends all critical thought.

No need to think for yourselves anymore, just let the "experts" tell you what to think.

But any student of history can see that so-called "experts" touting conventional wisdom are often completely wrong.

Students of history will also notice that some of the worst political regimes in history all had a legion of "experts" working with or for them. Probably the best example of a regime populated with "experts" were the Nazis. They had oodles of scientists, medical doctors, engineers, etc. who all used their technical expertise in service of evil. Same thing with the Soviets. There are always "experts" willing to lend a hand to totalitarianism and tyranny.

 

If you can get rid of covid, you can get rid of the flu and the common cold.

Why didn't anyone think of this before?


(a little bit of sarcasm in there, in case anyone could not tell)

 

1) Biden would have no authority to do any such thing
2) 2nd great depression would kill far more than covid
3) Hes not going to get elected anyway

 

I'm still waiting for liberal Democrats to explain exactly how "safe" things need to be before we're allowed to live normal lives.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they have no idea, that they don't even care, because Democrats don't need to live normal lives in order to be happy.

All Democrats care about is collecting a government check and virtue signalling on social media all day. That is what gives their lives meaning now.

 

Probably just until right after the election...

 

Yeah but as a student of history can you not think of all the good and advancements that scientist and experts made on civilizations. In your student of history mindset can you not weigh the mountains of accomplishments that scientist and experts have contributed to society against atrocities. Science and information is not evil just the people that use that information. It is kind of like the gun argument. Guns do not kill people, people do.

 

My degree is in mathematics and science. I know more about the advancements of science than 99% of the people posting here. It's how I know that "expert" is just another magic word that causes people to stop thinking and questioning. Science is not about "expertise", whatever that means, nor is it about credentials. Those who throw around titles like "expert" in debates are just making an appeal to authority, which is a rudimentary logical fallacy. The only thing that matters in a scientific debate is the evidence. Appeals to "expertise" are nothing more than an attempt to sidestep evidence and logic.

 

The horrible virus that has less than 1 percent mortality rate. Yeah, vote joe and the ho. Hey Joe, why aren't all the mask refusers dead?

 

It's commonly referred to as our "immune system". Beyond that, a vaccine would be a game-changer.

Political mandates will only make the suffering worse, and for a longer period of time.

 

The reason I used the words "experts" was to include in other fields that are not science based. For example for this covid crisis I believe a proper leader has to take the advice of medical science seriously but he also has to weigh those recommendations against the advice of "experts" from non scientific fields such as finance, education, military etc... The advice and data from scientist cannot ignored but other factors must be considered in conjunction with them. The times in history that you pointed too were times when leaders twisted the used of science to forward their own agenda, such as your example of the Nazi use of genetics, or rocket science or engineering advancements. The science was not evil just the person using it. (back to my gun example).

 

The US Dems learned the hard way that shutdowns really hurt tax revenue. I don’t see them trying that again.

I suspect that between Election Day and Inauguration Day the Dems will declare victory over the virus and take as much credit as they can get away with.

WHO said it will take two years to be rid of it largely based on that’s how long the Spanish Flu took.

Apples and oranges but that’s another thought.

 

I don't think Biden would sugar coat COVID-19 the way Trump has done it. Biden is more one of us that Trump will ever be.

 

"Scientists" are a funny thing. In that they don't always agree. So...which scientists will he listen to? The ones who agree with him? The ones he is told to quote?

Most of us will get Alzheimer's if we live long enough. Few of us have the vitality at his age that Trump has. So, perhaps you are right. But, most people would probably not want me running the country!

Doesn't it seem like now, as the virus becomes old news and ebbs away and most people are getting tired of talking and hearing about it, that the Biden group sounds kind of , I don't know, behind the times? Like they are still droning on about yesterday's news? Also, it is sounding more and more like just a political issue.

 

I'll screw you even more than Trump will screw you because I am a manly man is a strange tactic.

 

To me, it sounded like Biden was saying that he would listen to the "experts" on how best to handle the pandemic. I would presume he meant people like Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci.

 

You mean the dude who lied about the masks and made our situation worse? That's the guy we should trust?Agreeing with ethereal here on the appeal to authority fallacy at play here

 

@Bridget: "Scientists" are a funny thing. In that they don't always agree. So...which scientists will he listen to? The ones who agree with him? The ones he is told to quote?

@MJ Davies: To me, it sounded like Biden was saying that he would listen to the "experts" on how best to handle the pandemic. I would presume he meant people like Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci.

My earlier comment is copied above yours. My point was that Biden was saying that he would defer to the "experts" on how to handle the virus. I thought it implied that President Trump has not done that.

I am unlike many people that have completely whitewashed Fauci's earlier comments about not needing masks (to save them for medical professionals) and no longer trust him. You will not find any other opinion of him in any of posts on this forum. Drs. Birx and Fauci work for the administration and that bothers me.

 

No.

 

If Trump were to tell us to do the right things, We wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. Think about it.