Current results of Sweden's approach

Hint ... look on the UK and Boris Johnson who tld this rubbish of herd immunity once too ... until he got serious sick due to corona by himself and ended in hospital.
After that, he was not only cured of Corona, but also of the foolish idea of herd immunity and also publicly admitted his mistake in this regard.
And the corona numbers in UK prove that this is nonsense.

And as I wrote and justified in my other post, Sweden is not at all comparable! So we both agree on this with same opinion mate!

 

Stockholm incidentally has a population of less than a million...in a nation of 10 million

https://www.google.com/search?q=pop...1.69i57j0l6.8646j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

You mean where you exclaim look how high France's daily figures are yet you don't see that for herd immunity to be reached requires high daily figures?

 

Of course I see this .. and nothing in my post indicates otherwise.

Sweden did have higher daily figures initially - but now they are far lower than other nations = a sign that herd immunity is kicking in.

 

I'd respond appropriately...but it would be an infraction.

Read what's been posted

Jesus

 

Herd immunity is not a foolish idea... it is a scientific fact.

And to Boris - Yes .. it sucks to get covid.

 

And without a functioning vaccine it is a fantasy

 

Why are you responding to my posts to others and ignoring my post to you.

You Claim to have shown in a post that Sweden has a higher death rate currently than other nations. Which number post would that be - and who is living in a fantasy ?

 

Yes, when it comes to more harmless, contagious diseases like chickenpox in children, then that makes perfect sense ... even if there are doctors and experts who deny it to have any sense...

In the case of a potentially fatal, contagious disease, however, you consciously cause great colleteral damage to the sick and the dead, and that is not acceptable.

Or ... to give a blatant example: In a retirement home of 60 people age 60 and older + nursing staff, a person is infected with Corona. Applying herd immunity here will cost a hell of a lot of coffins! Isn't it?

 

Posted where .. what is the number of the post you are referring to ?

 

Your post is a bit all over the map.

First off - it is not like the people of Sweden were going around licking toilet seats - not observing any precautions ..
Second - I hope someone is not in a retirement home at 60 - but for those that are over 80 - clearly this is a bad idea - which is why we isolate old folks homes from the rest of the population - take extra biosecurity measures.

Third - Masks do not stop the spread of covid - and it is not been shown that they do a heck of alot other than give a false sense of security. In many locations numbers spiked back up "AFTER" mandatory masks were in place.

Lastly - Yes Yes Yes - people in general should be observing better hygiene practices - such as not licking the door nobs of public bathrooms... not shaking hands with strangers - or anyone for that matter but certainly not with strangers .. washing hands .. not coughing all over people.

BTW - a mask is not going to prevent a whole bunch of virus particles from getting into the air if someone sneezes. When Johnny has Covid but doesn't know it - wears a mask for many hours at work - takes off the mask in the car and then grabs the filthy germ infected mask prior to picking up groceries on the way home - and touches the peanut butter jar that you later purchase.. the mask contributed to your getting Covid .. not detracted.

 

Why not compare the US to Mexico, Canada and the Bahamas? Why not compare it to Cuba or Venezuela?

My point is I don't care who is compared to who. To make such distinctions as you do simply shows how weak your position is.

Comparing all countries is fine with me, and it doesn't change the fact that Sweden did it right.

There is a very simple explanation for that. The US is corrupted politically, and is totally caught up in this scam that 1000 German doctors describe.

https://fromrome.info/2020/08/24/1000-german-doctors-say-covid-19-is-100-a-scam/

 

Yea...if unnecessary deaths and infections for no gain is your goal...sure

 

"which is why we isolate old folks homes from the rest of the population - take extra biosecurity measures"
Which is a virtual impossibility. "The rest of the population" are who CARES for those people and maintains those facilities.

"Third - Masks do not stop the spread of covid". Absolutely false. Please do not post false information. You "should" know better

And "licking toilet seats and door knobs" is a ridiculous take on any of this


Claims that an infected mask would cause you to get Covid defies logic. If the mask you were wearing got infected...YOU would have gotten infected had you not worn it

 

completely different topic but a POTUS has no control of that. The GOP quickly ceded the house to the Democrats or they would have needed to explain to the constituents why they would not stop illegal immigration. Kind of like when the Democrats ceded control of the House when "the one" was POTUS. If not, Democrats would need to explain why they didn't deliver the socialist utopia espoused by "the one"

status quo in DC despite which party controls it. Sadly, you believe there is a lick of difference when the fact is they go to DC to enrich themselves and their friends/family.

Trump probably believed that since he couldn't be bought, he'd make a difference. He soon learned how little the office of POTUS can actually do

 

But wait...didn't he say he could?

Didn't he get elected to do that?

Hmmmm

 

and "the one" got elected on a lot of bluster as well; what's your point?

 

Sorry, but this is not true about masks ...

In the case of a droplet infection ... Corona is primarily transmitted ... these droplets loaded with bacilli and the virus flee at least 2 meters through the air, land directly in the airways of others or land on the skin of others or land on surfaces where then touch others with your hand - with the same hand, where they then touch their faces or all that and then become infected.
With a simple scarf in front of your mouth and nose the width is only 1 meter and with suitable masks it is even less!

It's not about not getting infected with a mask, it's about not infecting others as a potentially infected person (don't forget, 14 days pass between infection and the outbreak where you are not sick, but can infect others all the time).

Of course, a mask alone is of no use. Other hygiene measures are of course just as important! Does wearimg a mask where it is orderd to do hurt, cause injuries or what is the fu**ing problem to fight the order to wear a mask like mad?

You know ... in my country are also enough people who fight this. At a small demonstration where I happened by chance to be present, one of them had a sign: "My health = my decision" regarding the requirement to wear a mask ... and of course he wasn't wearing any.

This is what I said to this guy:
"OK, if it's your health that you want to decide for yourself, then if you get infected and get sick, you have to pay the medical costs yourself and yourself ... no health insurance and no tax money! It was yours Decision to get sick, so you have to pay for it yourself, okay? "

Of course the guy doesn't do that like me ... was to be expected

 

Read my lips "Masks do not stop the spread of Covid" - and your claim to the contrary is completely false - and once again you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

If that's not enough there's the CDC.

And you have come this conclusion how?

QAnon bullshit?

 

Mande - Masks do not "STOP" the spread of Covid. Masks may help to limit the spread due to large droplet infection (and we do not know that this is the primary transmission pathway) - but this does not stop transmission of the disease through other means.

and Yes .. I am talking about not infecting others - a mask does not prevent this... may help to limit - Yes - Prevent NO.

Big difference between claiming that a Mask decreases the rate of transmission and claiming that a Mask "STOPs" all transmission pathways.

With respect to bacteria - such as bacillus - yes . a drop of spittle contains over 100 million bacteria .... Yikes !

From the European center for disease control.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/latest-evidence/transmission

 

You are the one engaging in Qanon BS. While Masks may limit the transmission of Covid - they do not Stop it.

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about ... yet again .. and you still have failed to respond with the number of the post that you claim shows the current death rate in Sweden is higher than in other nations ... a patent falsehood.

Is this your tactic ... when proven wrong just ignore it and try to deflect by moving on to other things ..

What joke your posts have become.

 

The bolded is clearly false.

And claiming that something that isn't 100% effective is useless?

Please...just stop

"While Masks may limit the transmission of Covid"

Sad and revealing that you don't see value in that

 

Odd that given that countries where the population do routinely wear masks such as in the Far East have considerably lower rates of infection. And among the highest, Brazil and US where the man in control advised everyone not to wear a mask

 

I know that this will be difficult for you to understand, as you have been informed so many times, but no one said that masks will prevent infecting others