The war of partisan politics is destroying the country

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Trump is not a partisan politician. That is why the entire corrupt ruling bipartisan political class and its minions out of the White House.

    When Democrats control government the size and power of government expands.
    When Republicans control government the size and power of government expands.

    Real politics:

    “Media reports on government actions, whether debates, legislation, or regulation, almost always present them in terms of pure policy. New laws are for a specific purpose, perhaps even a noble one. But what if that isn't the real purpose of the exercise? What if politics is largely about fund-raising and moneymaking? The commercial motives of the Permanent Political Class in acting or not acting are rarely questioned and virtually never fully understood.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, BuyVotes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013. p. 2, 3.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Never heard of her.

    Also? Looks like we agree on yours. So looks like we're making progress. But how is anything I have said "hypocrisy"?

    Stick around, kid. You'll find there is nothing "typical" about me.

    Isn't AOC great? I think Biden should appoint her for the Supreme Court. A fine example of how millennials are ready to take the reins of the country from us old expired boomers.

    BTW, who's AOC?
     
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    AOC is very good. Perhaps even the best Democrat.

    "Ocasio-Cortez has squared off on Twitter against such varied media outlets as the New York Post, The Washington Post, Politico, the Hill newspaper, CBS News, Fox News and Glenn Beck's BlazeTV for statements she deemed offensive, inaccurate or just tone deaf."
    WASHINGTON POST,When it comes to calling out the news media, Ocasio-Cortez has some things in common with Trump, BY Paul Farhi,February 13, 2019.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cedfecb693ac

    MSM = Fake News. AOC gets it.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    My God! You consider Glen Beck mainstream?

    I think that statements says all we need to know.
     
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    Hurray for capitalism it beats socialism/communism any day of the week
     
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    LOL! Didn't take long to reveal your true colors.

    Now, tell me, is it only left wing partisan politics destroying the country? Because that thinking seems the common denominator of Trump supporters: They want the country to unite -- behind their extremist RW agenda. No dissent allowed. Then we can all sing Kumbaya.
     
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    It's ironic...most everyone wants freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of politics, all touted to be a democracy, until it no longer works for those who judge others.

    You want a bipartisan committee although there's truly no such thing as bipartisanship?

    It's not clear to me what your 'problem' might be? Are you demanding a 50/50 split of liberals and conservatives in government...to do so takes away the choices of the voters. Do you wish to terminate freedom of speech for those who 'say and do things' that you don't like?

    Little Bush was absolutely correct when he said 'a dictatorship is a good thing as long as he was the dictator'.

    Unfortunately, unless you toss out the Constitution and give up on a Democracy, you are forced to accept the 'will of the people'. Therefore, to create any wholesale changes to our politics today, it must come from the electorate! If the electorate remain too self-serving, too ignorant, too biased without regards to true and facts, we will have the status quo.

    IMO our root problem today is that politicians and voters and others are incapable of asking 'what's in the best interest of the USA today and into the future' and voting and managing the nation based on truth and facts is not in our current consciousness. Until this changes we might be experiencing the fall of Democracy...
     
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    I thought you were also an AOC fan. Do you think she is wrong about the "news media"? ;-)

    "Ocasio-Cortez has squared off on Twitter against such varied media outlets as the New York Post, The Washington Post, Politico, the Hill newspaper, CBS News, Fox News and Glenn Beck's BlazeTV for statements she deemed offensive, inaccurate or just tone deaf."
    WASHINGTON POST, When it comes to calling out the news media, Ocasio-Cortez has some things in common with Trump, BY Paul Farhi,February 13, 2019.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cedfecb693ac
     
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    Love her to death! That doesn't mean I'm part of some sort of cult to her. I'll criticize the crap out of her when I have to. And I'll throw her under the bus at the first sign of her even thinking of doing so much as ONE the immoral things Trump has done and for which his followers defend him even if all hell freezes over. This might come as a surprise to you but... you see.. the left doesn't do cults.
     
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    People aren't looking just for principles. They need realistic and pragmatic policies. The only policy a libertarian supports is not having policy. Oh, and every answer to our problems is to get rid of the federal reserve, according to Ron Paul.

    We need a moderate party that supports a moderately progressive tax system, enforcing border laws, no wars, voucher systems for schools and health insurance programs.

    Unfortunately, too many Libertarians will just vote for tax deductions even though deductions create an unfair and highly corrupt tax system where winners and losers are picked by politicians.

    Too many libertarians are against all social programs even when those programs are beneficial for overall societal success.

    Libertarians obsess over deregulation to the point it endangers the public. They put too much trust in business to do the right thing. We do need to update our regulations and remove outdated ones but that is not the same as just valuing deregulation on principle without concern for the consequences.

    Principles without reason has been a problem for the conservative party. It is why we ended up with a purely pragmatic president without many principles.
     
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    Much of the left has been very cult-like for decades. But people on the small very limited government end of the political spectrum will always favor the rads over DP/RP establishment crooks.

    "After she criticized CBS News' hiring practices, National Journal political editor Josh Kraushaar tweeted that Ocasio-Cortez shared Trump's habit of being a "media scold." She let him have it with a mini-lecture on Twitter about race, concluding, "It's not about "quotas." It's about understanding the country you're living in."
    The exchange apparently didn't persuade Kraushaar to change his original opinion. "Like President Trump, Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez is a master of the muck, using the platform to ... debase our discourse with catchy put-downs instead of engaging in serious debate," he said via email."
    WASHINGTON POST,When it comes to calling out the news media, Ocasio-Cortez has some things in common with Trump, BY Paul Farhi,February 13, 2019.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cedfecb693ac

    Fake News twits like Kraushaar are worthless establishment slime balls.
     
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    I don't know about the rest, I just want the left to leave us alone, keep their degenerate values in california and don't spread the disease across America.
     
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    I guess you never seen that You tube little boy pray to Obama before he went to bed, or all the Democrats get slaughtered at the polls after Obama care
     
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    Tell them to wake up. Radicals don't favor a limited government. Only centrists like AOC (whoever that is) do
     
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    And abysmal leadership. Gary Johnson? Really?
     
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    So you believe that the analogy to adult Trump supporters would be a little boy praying before going to bed.

    Can't say I disagree with you...
     
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    What? He wasn't senile, and he didn't fondle any young/underage women. Should have have?
     
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    Its not his morals that I found lacking. How put this... he's like a drawing of person more than an actual person. Maybe a sort of dull robot. The only remarkable thing about him whatsoever was that he thought he could pass off Bill Weld's semi-auto ban as 'libertarian' last time around. Notice he isn't running this time around...

    He really gutted the libertarians from the Libertarian Party with that one.
     
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    All indoctrination and cult like mentally guess you already also forgot about the Obama phone lady ..
     
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    The first statement of the OP is false. There doesn't need to be a balance between liberal and conservative. Liberalism needs to go away.
     
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    never work as the parties are so divided, a 3rd party would only leach off another party and the other party would always win
     
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    and that is the problem, liberals think the same of conservatives, neither party any longer puts country above party

    sorry folks, neither party can have everything they want, they have to work together on the things they both agree on - or give some give and take
     
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    Says who? Liberals are doing a great job destroying themselves.
     
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    republicans were the party of 'no' under Obama

    and now Trump can't work with anyone unless he gets 100% win, which means he gets nothing
     
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    I voted for Johnson the first time, but not the second time. When he didn't know where Aleppo was I could not possibly vote for him.

    No candidate is ideal or perfect.
     
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