Regeneron Dirty Don's miracle drug made from aborted fetal tissue.

Same diff.

 

The drug doesn't contain cells, it doesn't contain ingredients made from aborted fetuses, it doesn't contain ingredients from cells from distant generations of aborted fetuses. The OP title is a lie.

 

"Dirty Don and 'da done dirt cheap"

 

That's like saying you're against poaching but as long as the elephant is dead why not use his ivory.

 

So do several other companies. Do you really think Trump manages his own portfolio?

 

There was fetal tissues in the drug....

There was some used in testing, and the Admin has no issue with using cells that are already in stock...it's the harvesting of new cells that they do not want to fund with federal dollars

 

Lol. The monoclonal antibodies are produced by the method in my link. Fetal cell lines are used as a cheap alternative to test the function of the antibodies. No fetal tissue is part of the antibodies as claimed by the OP. That is a fact. My link explains the production of monoclonal antibodies. It’s quite clear that human cancer cells and animal cells are used. You all are being duped....again.

Fetal lines are used to create many vaccines. The MMR is one that directly uses a fetal cell line.

This treatment in question can be tested in other ways but would require use of a level 3 lab I believe. This way of testing is cheaper.

I’m in a rush this morning but would like to discuss the ethics more with you later on. My point for now is the OP is misinformation. Categorically and undeniably.

 

I don't think Trump cares at all...

I don't think the majority of the Republcians that need it care either....and handful might and decide not to take it, and take one of the many other treatments that the Trump Admin has developed.

 

So abortion is fine if private companies can make money off it....The Republican Way of "Life" !!!

 

Cell lines used to make antibodies, or for many other biomedical applications come from many different sources. Many of them from deceased cancer patients. One of the most famous ones is the HeLa cell line, which came from Henrietta Lacks, who died of cancer in 1951. In a sense, the cells made her immortal. Biomedical research would not be possible without these cell lines. They should not be politicized.

 

Great post. In fact, making antibodies using cell lines is actually the humane way of doing it, since no animals are needed. In fact, to get human antibodies, cell lines are the ONLY way, unless they would be harvested from living humans.

 

Trump’s antibody treatment was tested using cells originally derived from an abortion - MIT

Last Friday, as Trump developed worrisome symptoms of covid-19, the president received an emergency cocktail of anti-coronavirus antibodies made by Regeneron. These molecules are manufactured in cells from a hamster’s ovary, so-called “CHO” cells, according to the company—not in human cells.

In another part of the article it also says the (293T cell lines) origin was kidney tissue from an abortion in the Netherlands in the 1970s.

A Regeneron spokesperson said, “But the 293T cell lines available today are not considered fetal tissue, and we did not otherwise use fetal tissue.”

Like so many of these hyper ventilating threads from the left, they only read headlines, or a snippet or two from news articles. Then they fabricate the most kooky fringe possibilities. then they assume those kook fringe versions of reality must be the only allowed perceptions of the news. Nowhere does MIT says new fetal tissue is being used. They cited an aborted fetus from the Netherlands in 1970, and hamsters ovaries.

Just more outrage du jour from the TDS afflicted, as per usual.


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I am using this cell line in my lab. They are extremely widespread in use in the biomedical community. They originated from normal human embryonic kidney cells that were transformed with an adenovirus to immortalize them. Even if they originally cam from fetal tissue, these cells have been propagated 100,000s of times, I am sure nobody can call them fetal anymore.

 

Well, actually animals are needed as my link stated. In fact, animals are (usually rodents) are housed in volume, usually females so there is less fighting and injury from cell mates. The mice in this case are genetically engineered (so people who don’t like GMO’s will not want this treatment either). Then antibodies are injected using various methods including IV, subcutaneous, intramuscular, and others. Next, blood is drawn to determine if there is immune response. Up to 10% of the animal’s blood volume is taken—as much as possible without inducing severe anemia or death.

Finally, when antibodies are confirmed by repeated bleeding, in this case the mouse spleen is harvested. Typically mice are euthanized pre harvest by CO2 asphyxiation.



https://investor.regeneron.com/news...s-start-regn-cov2-phase-3-covid-19-prevention

 

Actually, I was wrong in assuming that only human monoclonal antibodies could be used as biologics. In fact mice and rat antibodies have been used as therapeutics. However, the trend goes to fully human monoclonals, and they can even be grown in genetaically engineered mice.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d42473-018-00011-5

The advantage of human antibodies is that they are less immunogenic, meaning that they induce less of an immune response themselves than non-human antibodies. You want as little as an immune response as possible, because that would block your active molecule.

 

Yes, genetic engineering is going to change our lives in ways we can’t imagine. Probably 18 years ago I knew a man very opposed to GMO’s. My wife asked him once if a medication or treatment from a GMO would save his wife’s life, would approve of that product. He couldn’t answer the question. I would love to talk to him about it today and see if his thinking evolved. He was an intelligent man and honest to a fault. Sadly, he was killed several years ago by my mother-in-laws horse he was training.

It’s fascinating how people here bring up the fetal/abortion angle, but the GMO and animal welfare issues so many say they espouse are not talked about. I’m pretty sure nobody is aware those issues even exist in the case of this treatment. Nobody has seen fit to bring it up in the media.

As I alluded to earlier, if fetal/abortion is a big deal, Trump, me and many others should be criticized for getting the MMR vaccine. Actually Trump may be old enough his wasn’t from a fetal cell line. I don’t remember what year it was approved in the US.

 

Yeah, the parent 293 cell line was created in 1973 from an aborted fetus, after a legal abortion in the Netherlands (wiki doesn't state the term of the abortion). At that time, I was 8 years old. I don't think I feel guilty using this cell line in my lab. In a sense, that fetus is living on forever through their cells, something that few of us can claim.

 

it's true he is getting these treatments and when the virus is available out to the American dirt cheap....free in some cases

 

Good points. Talk about a long boring life as a cell line, huh?

I’m no fan of abortion and would condemn profiteering off the practice or intentional “harvesting” of fetuses for research etc. But refusing this treatment on grounds a fetal line was used to test the product is akin to me refusing a donor cornea or heart from a murder victim. It just isn’t logical. That’s from a moral perspective. Add legality (as you mentioned these lines were legal abortions) and the acceptance of the donation from a murder victim opposed to refusing treatment using fetal lines for testing become even less logical.

Wrong subforum, but since it’s central to the theme of the thread I’ll add that my above arguments can be supported from a Biblical perspective as well as simple logic. Not surprising since if one believes in a moral superior being giving life, that entity also gave us science and it’s pillars, one of which is logic.

 

I am not a fan of abortion and would not condone one in my personal personal life (well, let's see if I would talk differently if my 11 year old daughter would get pregnant at the age of 13). I do think that bioethics have to be taken into account in biomedical research and application. The next battleground on the ethics argument will be how the covid vaccine will be distributed and who gets it first. Those are important questions. Whether an existing cell line generated from an aborted fetus from the 70s is used in generating covid treatments is not one of these bioethics questions. In fact, it would be unethical to withhold treatment to covid patients for that particular reason.

 

Relax! They will NEVER ban abortions, but the left really should stop using abortions as their casual, routine birth control method.

 

Well it was only a matter of time until democrats attacked a drug that Trump mentions.

 

Well, one saving grace is the fact it looks like 50% of people won’t take a Trump vaccine and 50% likely wouldn’t take a Biden vaccine. Think of the problem trying to get a vaccine to everyone.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I think most people expect health workers and the aged to be first, but I guess I don’t know who actually makes those decisions. Maybe we should just do a lottery. That’s “fair” I suppose. Just like everything else we have to decide if the individual is more “important” or if the collective society is more “important”.

 

There is mentioned made somewhere that the drug cocktail Dirty Donald took was derived from the lever cells of a fetus aborted in the Netherlands in 1972.

 

Well, isn't it sad that we have come to the point of so little trust in our institutions that people would willfully decline taking a vaccine if the president is from the opposing party?

Actually, I've kind of seen this coming. The same goes with the stock market. Many people seem only be willing to invest when it is their guy in the oval office. Stupid.....