How come republicans can't see that Trump is a fascist wannabe?

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  1. Captain Hindsight

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    So what is your 'direct definition' of fascism then?

    You certainly ignored the definition I posted, which aptly describes the very behavior of the Trump administration and its policies, and went straight to a deflecting argument from the OP which seems to rationalize your curious world view. But nonetheless, socio-economic similarities between Mussolini's Italy and The Obama Administration's excellent job of getting the country out of the great recession does not jive with your sweeping generalizations of the left or make leftists fascists.

    Also if you think that I haven't had to contend with armchair economists and this very argument, which I have indeed heard before, in the past you are very wrong. In fact I'm sure you whip this one out of your bag of tricks every chance you get.

    Maybe you should see the forest for the trees?

    Yes I've felt the Burn, but socialist values/views are a different bird from a fascist dictatorship. If we're going to go there then Canada and Germany or any other country with free collage and universal healthcare are fascist regimes.

    I'm sorry I just don't agree with you on this.


    And we have seen the courts uphold actions against Trump because he is constantly trying to use his abuse power in spite of the constitution.

    Perhaps, I think any and all forms of government, save monarchy, are also forms of socialism if that answers your earlier question, then according to you, there is no such thing as a non-fascist. Even with Trump's white house and the republican controlled senate in power it's still fascist, economic policies aside.

    The so called party of inclusion and personal freedom has never lived up to those tenets, ever.

    I sure do, and if you're trying to raise the hair on my back again by calling me stupid, it won't work. Sorry if I can't make your special place tingle again by falling victim to your stratagem.
     
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    The party's never switched anyrhing.
     
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    So you are sticking with Kneejerk Denialism of FACTUALLY documented REALITY?

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
  7. Derideo_Te

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    :roflol:

    Hope you didn't HURT yourself with that DESPERATE OVERREACH that FAILED to pass the laugh out loud test.

    :roflol:
     
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    Why did you OMIT the FACT that even Mickey Mouse would have won AFTER Nixon was almost IMPEACHED?

    Thanks for establishing that you CANNOT refute any of the FACTS that I provided.
     
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    Kneejerk denialism has no impact on FACTUAL REALITY!
     
  10. Captain Hindsight

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    Sigh,

    Just thought I'd drive this into the ground. And dispel your opinion of me, the left and socialism.

    This appears to be a paper by a political science student of the University of Idaho or part of the political science curriculum at that institution.

    https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/engl_258/lecture notes/capitalism etc defined.htm

    Here are some sources to back up this writing;

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/capitalism

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/communism

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

    I doubt you'll bother to read it since it totally refutes your claims about 'the left' being fascist and you didn't even blink at the evidence of the Trump administration's fascist deployment of federal agents to 'protect federal property' which BTW was paid for by taxes.

    I am sure though that you'll just go and classify Universities and the long standing, widely accepted and respected historical and scientific tome such as Britannica as 'leftist' propaganda evidenced by some irrational belief that there has been some secret liberal conspiracy to take over the US.

    When in fact it is you and your ilk that have been doing that very thing since McCarthyism died in the '50s. And I know President Truman, who started the whole thing in 1947, was a democrat. But that's not the point, I'm not arguing that there haven't been a slew of D-bag presidents that were democrats in history.

    And that's the difference between you and I. I am not an apologist for my preferred party while you will go out of your way to make it seem like every republican in the US is perfect and justified in their actions no matter how egregious they may have been or will be.

    Does the label 'godless' for the left in the above article remind you of a certain book by right-wing pundit Ann Coulter?

    It reminds me.

    See while you just sit around watching the MSM and hating America, and yes to MAGA is to admit that very thing, and everyone who isn't on your 'side', I get to know my enemy.

    I've been watching and reading right wing pundits since the '80s when I was a teenager. I know very well the right's propaganda machine that has led to this divided society and hatred of the democrats. It didn't start with us and if you think it did, well sir you are wrong.

    Here is a quote of unknown origin and perhaps repeated with this version of 'artistic license'

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
     
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    Fascism is here. Only it has come in the form of political correctness, critical race theory, racially motivated riots and unrest, selective prosecution, dehumanizing your political enemies, restriction of free speech by big tech social networks, complete control over media corporations and bureaucratic infiltration of the reigns of government by political operatives.
     
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    LMFAO I just read this, you do know that's not the reason Jimmy beat Ford, in the south correct?
     
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    This is BULL PUCKY.

    WRONG WRONG and WRONG again. You are just regurgitating a jumble of right wing hate rhetoric said before by punits like Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly. You can't even see that you are calling the people protesting homicide committed by the police fascists while your beloved 'strong man' president calls them an anti-fascist terrorist organization. Maybe you should get on board with new hate montra.

    The first amendment only protects speech that doesn't insight violence, so I'm sorry if your Aryan Cowboys, Hammerskins, White Knights, Creativity Movement, Neo-Nazi or place your favorite hate group/militia here were censored on Facebook.

    And dehumanizing political opponents? Have you even read or heard about Trump's tweet storms against his rivals you hypocrite?

    I'm not even going to go down the rabbit hole that is your belief in the conspiracy that media is a leftist brainwashing tool or the illuminati or whatever garbage designed to enrage the ignorant that has been spoon fed to you.

    Jesus doesn't love you you pharisee.
     
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    How is killing criminals by the police fascist?????

    One definition of Fascist is trying to snub out the opponents speech . Like they do at colleges and other places.
     
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    What makes you think I care about opinions of a political science student?
    I have a masters degree myself and couldn’t care less what some schmack who couldn’t do math in high school thinks about fascism.
    I gave you two separate definitions to show you that fascism is a leftist ideology. Massive public works projects and control of business enterprise via unions is a leftist trend.
    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - then it’s a *******n duck, and the opinions about that duck by an undereducated schmuck have no impact on anything but undereducated people who can’t think for themselves and / or look things up.
     
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    Exactly!
    I’m the taxpayer! I don’t want to pay for new building and the government has the duty to protect the assets that were acquired with taxpayer funds. If you want to break something - go trash your own car or your own house.
    Nothing fascist in Trump’s actions whatsoever.
     
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    Yeah, the left completely lost its touch with reality. They changed the definition of fascism, nazism, and racism to suit their needs.
    Now we have a bunch of kids out there accusing others of fascism when in fact what they advocate and how they act is fascist in and of itself!
     
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    Going by your own quoted part Trump is no fascist. You even bolded parts. that show this.

    Doesn't the left always say that Trump is just using the Presidency to gain more money?

    Additionally the left claims that Trump is a populist, something I agree with. A populist loves Democracy because it is the people that elect them. Yet your own quoted part states:

    Now, I know, the left is right now claiming that Trump will refuse to leave the WH if Biden is elected. That is nothing more than scare tactics based on the fact that he did not say whether or not he will accept the election results.

    As far as Trump sending federal troops to guard the courthouse? So what. That is literally part of his job. An actual fascist would have sent troops to end the riots period. Trump did not do that. In every case he has waited for permission from the individual States to send the National Guard to help local law enforcement and them and when they denied him he sent none.

    As for "MAGA", you do know that Trump is not the first President in history to use the term right? The first President to use it was Ronald Reagan. And he used it in the same way that Trump has been using it. It refers to the economy.

    As for this part:

    Trump does indeed express nationalism. But he does not express aggressive nationalism. Which is about expansionism of a nation. Trump does not wish to expand America. This is evidenced in the fact that he is trying to draw down our troops from foreign countries and the fact that he has not started a single war since being President.

    And Trump is no racist. I know the left loves to try and label him as such. But there is no proof of such if you actually LOOK AT CONTEXT. For example he never once called white nationalists "very fine people". In the very same speech where that comes from he said that he was not talking about them and that they should be condemned. He has stated repeatedly through the years that he is against racism and all groups that hate. He also never claimed that all Mexicans were rapists and criminals. That little bit came from when he was talking about MS-13 and illegal entry into our country via the Mexican border and Mexico (the government) letting them. All things that the Leftist media has purposefully taken out of context. Which is why he calls them "the enemy of the people". Because they won't report on the facts without twisting it. And The People cannot make informed decisions when the media is purposefully withholding information and spinning it into a narrative that attempts to achieve their own political goals. And Trump has never "forcibly suppressed opposition and criticism". He DOES criticize those that are in opposition to him and to those that criticize him. But he has yet to send "men in black helicopters" to stop such.
     
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    Some can.

     
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    Antifa are fascists. And BLM are marxist terrorists. They aren't protesting because of police brutality. They are fomenting hate hoping to spur on a revolution and overturn the government.

    I don't know anything about those hate groups you mentioned. I've never heard of them. I'm Mexican so I don't think they will allow me to be a member.
     

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