If Biden wins, he should pardon Donald Trump

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  1. Junkieturtle

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    I know this will be an unpopular opinion, but I believe it's what's best for the country.

    In the same vein as Gerald Ford pardoning Nixon after his resignation, Biden should pardon Trump. Otherwise the next two years will be nothing but the "Trials Of Donald Trump". With Trump gone, it will be time to move forward, not stay locked into the same era of utter stupidity we've spent the last four years living in. That's exactly where we will stay if the left makes a Trump loss all about revenge and punishment. Once Trump is gone, lets let him stay gone.

    This does not mean Trump doesn't deserve to be held responsible for his actions, only that doing so in a post-Trump administration will bring far more hurt than good. Yes, it means letting a corrupt man off the hook. But the good of the country is more important than that right now.
     
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    Should Trump pardon Biden?
     
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    And, why wouldn't that be a green light to all shady business practitioners to do what they want no matter the cost to the one left holding the bag and debts?
     
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    Because only one of those men was President Trump. Ford pardoning Nixon did not mean any elected official could engage in that kind of behavior without reproach or expectation of consequences and Biden pardoning Trump would be the same as that.
     
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    No, that is not the same situation. But there isn't, as yet, anything Trump would need to pardon Biden for. Biden may be a doddering old man but he's not been a corrupt businessman for decades who used the Oval Office for his own personal gain, mostly in terms of attention and spectacle, but also going so far as to solicit foreign governments for reelection dirt as a condition for monetary aid and drive business to his companies which he and his children have done since he took office.
     
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    If Biden wins, he should pardon Donald Trump
    Interesting thought, but not one chance in hell.
     
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    I'm sure you're right. Still, it's what would be best, and it would show a huge contrast to years of childish behavior by making a mature adult decision with the best interests of the country in mind, not just the president himself as Trump has done.
     
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    Funny, I was thinking that as Trump's final act when he leaves office at the end of 2024 he should pardon both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for all crimes they MAY have committed. That would be hillarious.
     
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    I'm not just referring to politicians. What about ALL the mega-rich business owners that engage in the kind of behavior Trump is accused of doing? All they would have to do is get elected for public office, have their bad deeds pardoned to avoid jail time and go on to con some more people later.
     
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    Wouldn't Trump need to have been found guilty of something first?
     
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    Pardon him for what?
     
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    You ask an excellent question.

    And this is certainly a dilemma that Biden will face once in office.

    Personally, I believe it would be politically preferable for Biden to let the court investigations against the Trump Org go ahead rather than pardon him.

    But don't open a new one unless it's a really serious crime.

    Pardoning Trump would mean the end of Biden's (and Harris') political career because one of the great motivations for this election was to get Trump out of the WH.
     
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    This perception that Trumpists believe that their guru is a pure man is completely beyond me.

    You really live in a parallel reality.

    Are you even able to explain to me why Trump gave $25 million in compensation to the 1600 students of his "university"?
     
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    You bring up something that has nothing to do with the subject of the OP.
     
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    lol, the liberal lunacy is on full display here. after 5 years of non stop investing the Trump family they have failed to come up with a single prosecutable violation, yet they are not sure if they should pardon him.

    will the left consider pardoning Trump supporters too or it will be reeducation/concentration camps Mao/Stalin/Hitler style, now that the left no longer even hides their fascist tendencies.
     
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    Continue to deny reality.
     
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    They could already do this. Trump could even potentially pardon himself.

    But a pardon for Trump in this instance is not a free ticket for others, just as Ford's pardon of Nixon wasn't. It's a specific pardon for a unique circumstance, one that only 44 other men in the entire history of our country have been in.
     
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    Not necessarily. When Ford pardoned Nixon, he (Nixon) hadn't been found guilty of anything. Ford simply pardoned Nixon for any crimes arising from the Watergate Scandal.

    It would be pretty good idea but Biden won't do it. If he did he would instantly lose the group of radical progressives (mainly) in the House who would make his job hell for the rest of his first (and only) term. They're out for blood.
     
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    Fair enough. Thanks for expounding on this. I can see your point. I just hate that, yet, another con artist may walk away unscathed.
     
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    The only real lunacy here is the continued adherence to the fantastical narrative that Trump suddenly stopped being the corrupt chronically dishonest person he was for decades just because he got elected. Someday, maybe even if only in the safety and secrecy of your own mind, The die-hard true believing Trump supporters will be able to see through the self-imposed haze they've created as they've elevated this man to demi-god status. This is not the case with all Trump supporters, as some can easily admit that he is who he is, but will vote for him anyway because they dislike the Democrats more. I disagree with that, but it's atleast logical, and there's no need for the fantasy narratives.

    But for those of us who don't live in that fantasy narrative, we can see the forest for the trees.
     
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    It would result in him walking away unscathed by legal repercussions, but for a man like Trump, losing this election will be a crushing blow, a wound that cuts him deep. That's not the same as jail time I admit, but it's a silver lining we would all have in exchange for the country being able to move forward.

    The folks who've said it would be political suicide for Biden to do this are probably right. The progressives in the Democratic party are indeed out for blood. It's not even unjustified. Trump and Trumpism has been a travesty for this country, something it will take years to recover from. Biden pardoning Trump would be a major first step towards fixing this, since the country has really nothing to gain by a drawn out charade of revenge against him.

    But in the same way that we should have never indulged Trump's childish nature, we should not indulge the childish nature of those who would use a Democratic win as an opportunity to seek revenge. Because that's what it would be. It would not be about justice or law & order. It would be about sticking it to Trump.
     
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    I understand the OP's point, but I have to disagree. One of the consistent discussions over the past four years is the point about no one being above the law. Including the president. So I think that should be shown to be true. Give him his day in court. Let him face his accusers. And then face the consequences if found guilty. The country needs to see proof that no one is above the law more than it needs a break from the clown show.
     
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    Still unable to name a single prosecutable offense, I see.. Meanwhile, in the real world, this is what's coming:

    These are not Hunter's emails, these are emails directly provided by a Hunter's associate who was personally involved in the racket.
    Money laundering for Russian oligarchs, no less. Huh, who knew? Be prepared my friend and stay strong.

     
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    No. We’re capable of walking and chewing gum. If Trump wants a pardon to reduce his federal exposure he can resign and have Pence do it or go the norm destructing route and try to pardon himself.

    It’s not best for the country to perpetually sweep things under the rug. That behavior is precisely what brought us to this point in time. Face your problems, do your best to resolve them, and move on with your best foot forward.
     
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    No, not only no but hell no, not only should he not pardon trump he should develop a presidential commission to investigate every faucet of what he has done and then use this information going into midterms highlighting the conspiracy between the White House and the Senate. Once the Senate super majority is secured, real change can occur — change to make sure that no president can again do to the office what trump has done.
     
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