Hunter, Ukraine, Burisma, its all BS

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  1. Ronstar

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    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

    all of the info is unverified.

    all of the info is from questionable sources.

    all of the "evidence" is contradicted by many more FACTS

    all of the info is from dirty characters, who have an anti-Biden obsession.

    there is a reason why most media won't get on board with this story, its cause the story is dirty...dirty....dirty.

    But Trump has repeatedly distorted the facts about Biden’s work in Ukraine to baselessly accuse his Democratic rival of seeking Shokin’s removal to help his son, Hunter, who at the time was a board member of a Ukraine gas company called Burisma. He left the board in 2019.

    In Des Moines, Iowa, on Oct. 14, Trump cited “explosive documents” published earlier that day by the New York Post to revive his widely discredited claim that Biden “went to Ukraine and threatened to withhold $1 billion in aid if they did not fire the prosecutor that was investigating his son and the company that his son worked for.”

    As we’ve written, there’s no evidence Hunter Biden was being investigated.

    But the Post story and Hunter Biden’s emails — which may or may not be authentic — don’t support Trump’s claims.

    In one of several stories on Hunter Biden, the New York Post wrote about a “smoking-gun email” that it claims proves the Democratic presidential nominee helped his son and Burisma. The story is based on a photo of an email that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent to Hunter Biden to “thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together.” We have no way to verify that the email is authentic.

    he Biden campaign says “no meeting, as alleged by the New York Post, ever took place” because it wasn’t on Biden’s schedule. Of course, that isn’t evidence a meeting didn’t occur — but the email (if authentic) isn’t evidence that a meeting did occur, either. The New York Post did not confirm that the meeting happened, and it’s unclear from the email if the meeting did occur.

    “There was no meeting. Period. I was in all of the Vice President’s meetings that touched on Ukraine, and I’d never heard of this guy until now,” Mike Carpenter, who was Biden’s lead adviser for Ukraine at the time, said in a statement provided to us by the campaign. “This has all the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign.”

    Citing another email from that same story, Trump said that “the same Ukrainian energy executive even sent Hunter an email saying quote ‘we urgently need your advice on how you could use your influence.’ In other words, Hunter was being paid for access to his vice president father who was specifically put in charge of Ukraine and Russia.”

    Trump is referring to a May 12, 2014, email Pozharskyi allegedly sent to Hunter Biden that asked for “advice on how you could use your influence” to help Burisma. Again, we don’t know if the email is authentic, but even so, the email isn’t evidence that Hunter Biden agreed to use his “influence” with his father to help Burisma. And it certainly isn’t evidence that Joe Biden did anything to help Burisma.

    Trump repeatedly cites Biden’s January 2018 remarks as evidence that the former vice president pressured Ukraine to fire Shokin because he was investigating Burisma.

    But, as we said, the evidence shows Biden was carrying out U.S. policy, and the United States was not alone in pressuring Ukraine to fire Shokin.

    In February 2016, International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde threatened to withhold $40 billion unless Ukraine undertook “a substantial new effort” to fight corruption after the country’s economic minister and his team resigned to protest government corruption. That same month, a “reform-minded deputy prosecutor resigned, complaining that his efforts to address government corruption had been consistently stymied by his own prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin,” according to a Jan. 3, 2017, Congressional Research Service report.

    “After President Poroshenko complained that Shokin was taking too long to clean up corruption even within the [Prosecutor General’s Office] itself, he asked for Shokin’s resignation,” the CRS report said. Shokin submitted his resignation in February 2016 and was removed a month later.

    It’s important to note, too, that Trump is citing from unverified emails that were allegedly obtained in a bizarre way by his own lawyer. According to the Post, the emails were found on a laptop that had been abandoned at a Delaware computer repair store, and the shop owner turned it over to the FBI but before doing so he “made a copy of the hard drive and later gave it to former Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s lawyer, Robert Costello.”

    As we documented earlier this year, Giuliani has visited Ukraine and worked with current and former officials there in an attempt to obtain information damaging to Biden.

    We don’t know at this point how Giuliani obtained emails and documents that purportedly belong to Hunter Biden. But we do know that they don’t support Trump’s baseless accusations against Joe Biden.
     
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    I checked the facts and your fact checker is false
     
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    That is a left wing website that has obtained funds from Soros in the past.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    attacking the messenger.

    very poor tactic.

    the info in the article is all 100% true.

    we are witnessing a pathetic smear campaign by Rudy and Fox News
     
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    I mean, since it's all false, where is Biden denying it? He never has. Things that make you say WTF?
     
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    How do you smear and admitted drunk /crack addict??
     
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    the smear campaign continues.
     
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    What part is untrue?

    Oh yeah I forget hunter did sleep with his dead brother's wife and got kicked out of the navy

    Is that better for you?
     
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    what's next, Hunter eats dead aborted babies?
     
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    I suggest people don’t cast their vote for Hunter. You’re welcome.
     
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    How about sleeping with dead brother's wife!
    Did Hunter before she was a widow?


    Moi
    :oldman:




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    what's next, Hunter hates puppies?
     
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    The investigation into Burisma was legit, but it had nothijng to do with Hunter Biden. Burisma's president is connected to the Russian Mob, and used the company to launder money.

    This all took place well before Hunter Biden was hired to the company's board of directors, and he was never under any type of investigation.

    The former Inspector General of Ukraine, Victor Shokin, who Donald Trump (FALSELY) claims was investigating Hunter Biden, and who was fired because of pressure from Joe Biden, was also under investigation. He was originally in charge of the money laundering investigation into Burisma, as well as dozens of other corporations, but it was discovered that he had been taking bribes from the executives of all of those companies in return for rigging the investigations. There were calls for Shokin to be fired, and charged with corruptions for a number of years prior to Hunter Biden being hired by Burisma.
     
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    All I know is that as of today I'm changing my vote and am no longer going to vote for Hunter Biden.
     
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    Hunter, Ukraine, Burisma, its all BS
    Does this include the selfie video of Biden proudly explaining how he deftly shook down Ukraine with taxpayer money???
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    thats exactly what Trump did, and he was proud of it

    "give me speech, give me investigation, or you get no military aid".
     
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    Nice sounding "quote." Did you make that up yourself or did you get it out of the Democrat playbook?
     
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    its what Trump said to Ukraine

    he called it normal politics
     
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    Utter horse crap. What you and your fact checker don't know about this would put a Republican in jail forever. His family was selling political influence.
     
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    Classic "nothing to see behind the curtain" thread. Every time I see one of these, I'm asking, how do these folks get monetized for it...
     
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    he FBI has asked Bobulinski, who went on the record Thursday to accuse former Vice President Joe Biden of lying about his involvement with his son's business dealings, to turn over copies of his phones, according to the committee.

    The FBI declined to comment "in keeping with our standard practice of neither confirming nor denying the existence of an investigation." A senior administration official told Fox News that Bobulinski or his lawyers reached out to the FBI about a meeting, not the other way around.


    this does not mean there is an ongoing investigation.

    they simply are willing to listen to Booboolinski
     
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    Why are you posting a link from 15 days ago? Old news that's be debunked by the facts. The DOJ has confirmed there is a money laundering criminal probe into the Bidens
     
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    the FBI does not confirm nor deny the existence of investigations.
     
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    yep...when the FBI Agent signs a subpenoa they are confirming it
     
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