The new 007............

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So do you support with a female 007?

  1. No and I will not watch the movie

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  2. No but I will watch it

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  3. Yes and I will watch the movie

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  4. No and will not watch the movie

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    And it's official
    Lashana Lynch Confirmed as the New 007 in No Time to Die
    Lashana Lynch will make history taking over for Daniel Craig's James Bond as the new 007 in No Time to Die.
    https://movieweb.com/no-time-to-die...hpjLfNTMTGBCAaIS226yRNtI_zxiJSU9pJj9ufhOkuxa0

    Why? 007 IS James Bond, James Bond is a very sophisticated man's man, not female. It there is a need to have a character who is a female superspy, the CREATE ONE. Why ruin the 007/James Bond character and narrative by warping and morphing it into a female character? They keep saying she is just taking the number. NO, they are intractable 007 is James Bond and James Bond is 007. Can anyone every recall an established female character who has been warped and morphed into a male character.

    Is this just more political correctness and another attack on men?
     
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    this is just more politically correct tripe. sorry to all of you third wave feminists, but jane bond is even more atrocious as the all female ghost busters. at least then it was simply a matter of it being an incredibly bad remake.

    of course, i'm the same guy who believed daniel craig was a piss poor action hero imitation of sean connery's immortal bond.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Didn't you hear that being a straight white male now means you are the devil?
     
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    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    You completely misunderstand what they are doing. They aren't continuing the series with Lynch being the main character in the next movies. In the story Bond went into exile and another agent took the 007 designation. Its a bit like if you left your job, and when you returned, you found a black lady in your old office. The race and gender of the specific agent who took the role is irrelevant here. It doesn't really matter since Craig will still be the main character of the movie and it will be his last anyway. The next movie will probably star another James Bond.

    Below are some quotes from a senior producer of "No Time to Die":
    "James Bond will always be male, one of the franchise's most senior producers has said."
    "I believe we should be creating new characters for women - strong female characters; I'm not particularly interested in taking a male character and having a woman play it."
    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-16/next-bond-will-be-male-says-franchise-producer
     
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    The odds of them filling the role with a female and not moving on with her as the lead is illogical. There would be no point oh having that as the focus of the movie if it were irrelevant. Of course she will be the new 007 they aren't putting a male back in that role for awhile.
     
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    The Bond series isn't about the role of 007. That is just a job position in world of those movies. The Bond series is about James Bond. Just because his job position in the movie is filled when he is gone doesn't mean Hollywood is going to spend a billion dollars on movies about this other person. The Bond series is still about James Bond, and the next reboot film will still be about James Bond, and will ignore what happened to the other previous Bonds.
     
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    We will see. And I disagree, we actually know very little about Bond the movies are about his role as 007 and his saving the world. Do you know where bond was born, anything about his family or childhho, his education, was he ever marrid?

    Don't know anything about Bond since the movies aren't about Bond the person they are about 007 and his job.
     
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    You seriously think the James Bond movies aren't about James Bond? James Bond is a character who has been played by multiple actors and is the main character of every single one of these movies. And these movies are about the character not the "Agent 007" designation, its just a numerical designation. For example, at the beginning of "Casino Royale" James Bond isn't 007 yet but gets promoted very early into the movie. Also, "No Time to Die" will be about James Bond when he isn't an 00 agent. The movie is about James Bond, not the history of the 007 designation.
     
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    No it isn't. We don't know anything about Bond the character/man after decades of his movies. Every single film is about him in his role as 007, name one that isn't?
     
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    First off, every new Bond actor is a different reboot of the character so each has to be assessed separately. We actually know a lot about Bond the character/man and you would too if you watched the movies. For example, his womanizing behavior is caused because of the tragic events in Casino Royale. The movies do almost completely focus on his role as an agent but the movies are still about him, and not about the 007 designation. If it was about the 007 designation, then the new reboots would be about Bob 007, Jerry 007, and Todd 007.
     
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    How many movies did it take to get to Casino Royal and that is only a small part of the characters life. Take Goldfinger.....tell me one thing we discovered about Bond the character?

    What about Moonraker? I can't think of any.
     
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    This thread is focused on Daniel Craig's James Bond. And there is a significant amount of characterization on him, and this improves the quality of the story. The way they explained bond's womanizing behavior in Casino Royale was really good and is one of the reasons it is one of the best Bond films of all time. The earlier films did present Bond as a bit of a caricature which was getting old, and I'm glad Craig's Bond is a little more three dimensional.
     
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    I thought this thread was about his replacement? Seriously if the story is about Bond and not 007 then why spend a whole movie introducing the new 007? They never did that with any of the other bonds. If it's about Bond then the next installment should focus on his retirement unless he is magically coming out of retirement for some stupid reason.
     
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    Meh, I'll watch it. They said all this same stuff about the last Mad Max movie, and it turned out to be enjoyable. The latest Terminator as well. All these movies require such a high degree of suspension of disbelief already, a bit more with annorexic women tossing 250lb bodybuilders around like ragdolls is hardly the least likely thing going on in todays action movies.

    I do hope there's a bit of girl-on-girl in it tho... ;)

    Though, it is pretty annoying when they go out of their way to portray 'girl power'... Ellen Ripley was way more of a badass by not trying to make any social statements as she slaughtered aliens and saved the world.
     
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    I do hope this is a publicity stunt, I'm having problems enough with the new Batwoman.
     
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    A bond replacement hasn't been announced for Craig. Maybe they will make Lynch the new Bond but the creators are very clear right now that Bond will remain a male. Its more likely they will make Idris Elba the new Bond.

    The new movie isn't about introducing Lynch. You missed the point of the trailer. This movie follows the retired hero trope, where the old worn out hero has to return and deal with not being as strong as he was in the past. We saw this in movies such as the "Dark Knight Rises", "Logan", "Rocky Balboa", and "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull".

    In this kind of movie they will usually have a strong protagonist or an ally who shows them how out of shape and old they are. There will be plot elements that really drives home how out of the game they are. This Bond movie is the first Bond movie about an old Bond and this is why its the first to show an agent who replaced Bond.

    They showed the replacement to show that he is so out of the game that his alias was reassigned to another agent. They show how old he is by showing how skilled this new agent is and that maybe this new agent is better than he is. One interesting dynamic in this movie will be the competition between him and this agent who replaced him.

    Lynch, the new agent, is simply a character in this movie, and there is no plans to make this character the new main character of future movies. Maybe if she is super-popular, they will make a series about her. But I don't see that happening due to the virus.
     
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    Ok
     
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    You have already provided a sufficient argument against your complaint. 007 is just a number. Unless they are trying to name this character James Bond, what is the point in complaining about it?

    Would it have bothered you less if they used a different number?
     
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    Sean Connery was certainly an iconic Bond, but I would say others at the very least did as well with the role as Connery did.
     
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    Wrong, it's an ICONIC number and you can't separate James Bond from 007 nor 007 from James Bond. At the least make her 009 and a new character but why morph an ICONIC MALE character into a female? When has that happened the other way around? If they want a female super spy then create one.
     
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    I know EXACTLY what they are doing, praciticing their political correctness and diversity and attack on males and males standing in everything. 007 will always be James Bond, it's like retiring the number of a sports figure. If they want to create strong female characters then start from scratch and create one this is having to play off a strong male character.
     
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    How ludicrious especially if you have read the entire series and interviews with Ian Fleming and how he created the character. And the series, the James Bond 007, series will be forever marred by this "*" attempt to hijack the character and replace with a female.

    Again when have we ever seen this with a female character being morphed into a male character?
     
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    No it's not it's more focused on the best James Bond 007, Sean Connery and in the book James Bond starts as 007. Yes that version reeled it back from where the Roger Moore movies had taken the role into more a cartoon character. But ALL the 007's have been ALL MALE, a man's man.
     
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    I do agree that Connery was the best James Bond. But the problem is any Bond eventually gets worn and we need new fresh takes on Bond. I really like how Craig's Bond took things in a different direction. However, the older Bond movies are starting to age. Maybe the next series can feature a more classic James bond.

    There are no plans to make movies about a female Bond. In "No Time to Die" its very clear that Bond is still Bond and he is still the main character. Its just that his numerical designation was taken by another agent since he has been out so long. If the other agent was a skinny white guy named "Greg" would you be this upset?

    The biggest problem with classic Bond is that he was a huge womanizer and that doesn't sit as well with audiences today as it did in the past. Even Craig's interpretation is less of a womanizer than the previous iterations. Maybe the next Bond can be a more modern idea of what an attractive male is.

    Hollywood is putting more diverse characters in their movies and that is a good idea since their audiences are becoming increasingly global and Americans are becoming increasingly diverse. I don't have a problem with a black female character in a Bond movie for Bond to have to work with. Lynch is playing an original new character so I don't see what your problem is.
     

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