Some republicans are suggesting we should 'redo the election'.

I've heard some republicans suggesting that we should redo the election. Really, some are saying this.

Well, for one thing there is no election that could be conducted where Trump is running where he won't make a lot of noise about 'fraud'. So redoing it won't cure this 'fraud' issue.

What he is doing is making hay of election anomalies, noting that all major elections have them. You can't have an election consisting of 150,000,000 ballots and not have anomalies, and so Trump is trying to make hay out of them, convincing his gullible flock that 'dems are stealing the election'. But, let's take a look at this, Democrats would have to have conducted a massive conspiracy, organized, coordinated with operatives in every election office, literally thousands of them, in every state cooking the books. How in holy hell could they get away with it let alone actually do it? This is a decentralized process, what they are suggesting is practically impossible in a highly decentralized system ( as messy as our system is, that is the one good thing about it ).

I've been voting since the 70s, and this has never happened where one side was accusing the other of fraud, so why is it happening now?

Because in no past election was there ever an evil bastard like Trump.

That's why.

 

Actually there were so many states that were close it wouldn't have taken much work to change the count at all. Skip a couple of Trump boxes and add in a couple for Biden. We already pretty much knew the states with tight races anyways. Believe me, if they can kill JFK in broad daylight they can change some votes.

 

Just follow the money...the problem is, there is none.

 

Yep..lets try to get one person to do that anywhere.
I dare you. Its more profitable to post it on youtube for the hits.

 

Can you please elaborate?

 

Lots of people in Prison for vote fraud.

 

Apples and oranges, the JFK assassination was not a 50 state op

Ah, no, they can't.

 

Read my OP, the part on 'anomalies' do not equal 'dems cheating on massive scale'.

 

True but since Russia made Hillary lose it shows that fraud on a massive scale is possible doesn't it?

 

Do you have any evidence of that? No? Because NOBODY who made these wild claims so far has presented any valid evidence, which is why the judges are tossing the lawsuits out of their courts, one after the other. And pray tell, why did Trump lose Arizona and Georgia, which are states with Republican secretaries of state? Do you find credible that these people would be helping Biden? And if there was widespread fraud, why didn't the Dems do better in the Senate and the House? That one, I've seen no rightist here being able to explain. One said that the people making the fake ballots didn't have time to fill the dots for the Senate races. LOL, it takes all of 3 seconds.

 

That wasn't fraud. That was a campaign to influence voters. It's very different. I actually only blame this issue because it came from abroad. If Americans had engaged in the same social media campaign that the Russian hacks produced, I would find the various lies deplorable but it wouldn't be illegal.

 

I am not claiming it happened so why would I need proof?

 

Still shows that an entire election can be manipulated and that is the point.

 

Manipulating the voters into voting for someone is not illegal (provided that it is not done by a foreign power). That's exactly what campaigns do.
You know, all campaigns lie. In all campaigns, their candidate is an angel, couldn't be more perfect, and the opponent is the devil, couldn't be more flawed, and the sky will fall if the people dare to vote for the opponent. To prove these points, campaigns lie about their candidate's supposed perfection, and also lie about their opponent's supposed flaws. What the Russians did was the same thing. The only thing that made it illegal, was the fact that they were foreign agents.

 

You realize that they ran ads both for and against Trump right?

 

Oh come on, don't hide behind semantics. You said:
"Skip a couple of Trump boxes and add in a couple for Biden."
Even if you phrased it skillfully so that you don't appear like you are affirming it, you are indeed implying it when you bring it up.
I saw a Fox News pundit on TV yesterday, who, when pressed about why he thinks the election was not fair, said "I expect that in an election with 150 million votes, there were lots of fraud."
"I expect."
That's the kind of "evidence" he was presenting. Interesting enough, the Fox host retorted, "but there is no evidence of that." And the host kept referring to Biden as President-Elect Biden.

 

I'm saying it wouldn't be hard to do not that it happened. I wasn't there.

 

I do, that's why I said, "in all campaigns." They all lie. Every single one of them. For a politician, any politician, lying comes with the territory.
A politician who doesn't lie doesn't get elected.

Douglas Adams famously said, in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: "If someone runs for president the person is necessarily morally unqualified, because the qualified ones don't run."

 

Yep, exactly. Like all these fake evidences Trump is going after. And sure, like @Patricio Da Silva said, some of them won't be fake, because in an election this size, there are anomalies - small human errors, small unintentional wrongdoing by misguided voters, and some VERY VERY rare intentional wrongdoing, but nothing of a magnitude that is sufficient to influence the result of a national election, given how decentralized everything is, and given how both Republicans and Democrats function as attentive watchers. Smaller local races have been influenced by this, like the 9th District of North Carolina in 2018, and guess what, the cheater was the Republican.

 

No reason to ever get complacent.

 

External influence/meddling is not 'fraud'. republicans have been cheating with gerrymandering, voter suppression, but this type of cheating is external to the vote counting process. We're talking internal tampering, cooking the books during the counting stage, etc, which is what Team Trump is alleging.

 

Externally yes, but that is not what Trump is alleging, he is alleging that Dems cheated in the vote counting stage.

As I explained, the complex logistics of a nationwide ballot counting fraud is practically impossible, it would require cooperation with thousands of independent county election officials, and no way could it be done.

 

There may or may not have been widespread fraud that could have altered the election, but the issue of conducting elections for the office of President is up to individual states.

(And that was the way it was for Senators too, before the Seventeenth Amendment, which didn't entirely leave clear whether the state or the federal government has responsibility for conducting the election)

 

9/11

 

There's run of the mill sales talk, exaggeration, twisting facts, etc., which you are talking about, but Trump, he's whole 'nuther animal, saying 'Biden is corrupt". "Obama committed treason" "Lock her up" "The press is the enemy of the people"

No presidential candidate that I can recall, ever spouted whoppers on that scale.

So, your 'every one does it' doesn't get Trump off the evil bastard hook.
(not implying you are defending Trump)