Could all humans begin from just two people?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by DennisTate, Nov 17, 2020.

?

Could G-d in a sense learn or evolve and still be G-d???

  1. Yes

    7 vote(s)
    35.0%
  2. No

    12 vote(s)
    60.0%
  3. That is a really unusual question.... but intriguing?!

    1 vote(s)
    5.0%
  1. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,675
    Likes Received:
    8,945
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Why do god botherers rely so much on endless quotes from the scriptures? Don't they have opinions of their own?
     
    JET3534, Buri, Cosmo and 1 other person like this.
  2. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,580
    Likes Received:
    2,618
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    In my particular case I quote both the Jewish and Christian scriptures and then near death experience accounts that in my opinion have clarified the meaning of the scriptures for me.
     
  3. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,803
    Likes Received:
    16,432
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You're still using your NDEs to refute the three Abrahamic faiths, including the concrete statements of the New Testament that are the very foundation of Christianity. Yet, you take pieces from the Bible when they fit your own very very different religious view.

    History is absolutely overflowing with individuals who have made complex and ornate versions of various religions while claiming to be the prophet everyone should be following because after all, they almost died or took a heavy dose of peyote, or sarved themselves to delerium or whatever is proper in the societal context.
     
    JET3534, Buri and DennisTate like this.
  4. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,580
    Likes Received:
    2,618
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    To me.... near death experience accounts make sense out of all three of the Abrahamic faiths.....
    I can see why you might tend to disagree though.....


    https://www.near-death.com/religion/islam.html

     
  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,664
    Likes Received:
    11,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Because if they express an opinion that sounds a little off the ordinary, militant atheists will try to accuse them of inconsistency for not holding to the things in the Bible.
    Meanwhile, religious people will be less inclined to believe them if they cannot explain how it is consistent with the Bible.


    Also, don't mind Dennis Tate too much. He is kind of bonkers.
     
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2020
    DennisTate likes this.
  6. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,664
    Likes Received:
    11,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What do you mean?
    What has been found?
     
    DennisTate likes this.
  7. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    https://www.goodfight.org/articles/commentaries-teachings/rob-bell-populating-hell/

     
  8. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    https://jewsforjesus.org/publicatio...g-2009/the-sabbath-a-look-back-a-look-forward

     
    DennisTate likes this.
  9. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,580
    Likes Received:
    2,618
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    A poster on this forum claimed to be a Theoretical Physicist and I believe him.... I so liked his ideas on the relatively new Multiverse Theory that he inspired me to completely revamp my understanding of Ezekiel chapter thirty seven.


    The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?

    The clearest most easily understood writing on this topic that I ever read though is:


    https://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03

    This puts a whole new angle on the many times that the Old Testament Prophets give prophecies that depend on the decisions and behaviour of Israel.



     
  10. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Messages:
    31,580
    Likes Received:
    2,618
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Back around 1988 I began to suspect that the doctrines of the Worldwide Church of God were flawed........ but at that time I did not know what was wrong with the doctrines so I prayed and asked for wisdom and to be shown what it was that I was off in my understanding of so that I did not go through this life just repeating myself as my mentor Mr. Garner Ted Armstrong seemed to be doing. I was soon led to near death experience accounts and my understanding of the entire Jewish and Christian Bible was revamped.

    I prefer being rather "bonkers" than to be in the place of having so many questions and so few good answers as I did back in 1988 to 1990.
     
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2020
  11. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
     
  12. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,803
    Likes Received:
    16,432
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Please be careful with your cites. You may have read Mark 2:27, but you didn't read Mark 2.

    Your passage in Mark has absolutely nothing at all to do with time.

    The issue being discussed has to do with when (or whether) it is ok to break religious law.

    Pharisees were questioning Jesus about religious law.

    Jesus pointed out that his followers may have been hungry and thus picked corn to eat on the Sabbath. In fact, jesus upped the ante and said that they may have been hungry enough to need to eat the sacrificial offerings reserved by religious law for priests alone! I'm sure that had an impact!

    A way to express that is that the Sabbath is there for humans. It provides a focus that is to be taken seriously. But, it's not there as an immutable law of God.
     
  13. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2013
    Messages:
    59,803
    Likes Received:
    16,432
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There are certainly a lot of questions.

    But, the real issue here is what is it that makes an answer an answer.
     
  14. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-and-the-Law.html

    https://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html
     
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2020
  15. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-law.html
     
  16. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    27,916
    Likes Received:
    21,226
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If God created the first human, then God would've had to become human to fully understand humans. In doing so, he would learn what it means to be human.

    I chose yes.
     
  17. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2014
    Messages:
    13,361
    Likes Received:
    11,533
    Trophy Points:
    113
  18. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    31,814
    Likes Received:
    13,377
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This isn't Heaven?
     
  19. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    31,814
    Likes Received:
    13,377
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Either there were two humans, which I doubt, or the story is a metaphor. Adam came from dust which is essentially elements of earth and Eve came from his rib which could be the splitting of cells into another creature.

    Genesis is only there to begin the story just like Revelations is there to end it, neither of them are fully meant to be understood.
     
  20. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,720
    Likes Received:
    1,803
    Trophy Points:
    113
    An astute observation.
     
  21. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    31,814
    Likes Received:
    13,377
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Because our opinions are all based on what the Bible teaches?
     
  22. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,675
    Likes Received:
    8,945
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In other words you are told what your opinion is.
     
    Cosmo likes this.
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,180
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Buri and joesnagg like this.
  24. Buri

    Buri Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2018
    Messages:
    7,723
    Likes Received:
    6,426
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    There are MANY religious stories with a man/woman start, they're metaphors. These same copies of each other also have god look, oddly enough, just like us. This is a projection of our own traits onto a deity.

    We have plenty of fossil records showing where modern man evolved.
     
  25. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,675
    Likes Received:
    8,945
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Men were not created by god.
    God was created by men.
     

Share This Page