Major Study Finds Masks Don’t Reduce COVID-19 Infection Rates <<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Already answered above
     
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    How has it been "falsely reported"?
     
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    I feel instinctively that masks are not good for people. We need fresh air. I also think it will eventually ruin our humanity to not be able to communicate with each other properly. You can't read others' facial expressions, their voices are muffled, etc. The folks who sell "devices" must be laughing all the way to the bank, though. I've also felt that this won't end when corona does and I heard a health official from PA (I think) say even when we're all vaccinated, nothing will go back to normal, that we'll still have to wear masks through 2021 and perhaps beyond. So I feel vindicated.
     
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    Yes, a new Navy study has confirmed that masks and other irrational measures taken to reduce the spread of viruses actually increase the spread.
     
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    There is no claim by the authors that masks do indeed reduce the spread of viruses. Your quoted conclusion shows their data did not support the hypothesis. Any difference between subjects and controls was statistically insignificant. From the results section:
    So does masks possibly causing a 23% increase in infection based on calculated confidence intervals sound like the study states masks do indeed reduce the spread of viruses?

    I’ve already been clear I understand the limitations of this study. I’ve also been clear in the past I’m not anti mask and I have a very clear understanding of how masks work at the physics level. But physical properties of masks and their obvious and evidence based ability to act as barriers to droplets and aerosols does not translate directly to reduced transmission of viruses. It’s time to acknowledge that as a society so we can do better at limiting transmission.

    This study proves nothing. It is evidence we are overconfident in our reliance on masks as a mitigation practice.
     
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    It's not my position.

    I'm not defending the status quo, whatever the CDC wants, I'm good with that.
     
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    You've already quoted my answer! This just proves that you don't even bother to read posts that you quote
     
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    I’d love to read it. Do you have a link?

    Yes, people only see in a study what they want to see. They only consider experts “experts” if they repeat what they want to hear. So it goes. :)
     
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    I just found the Israeli article citing the Navy study which has apparently been published in the NEJM..
    Will look for an NEJM cite later today.

    NAVAL MEDICAL RESEARCH CENTER PUBLIC AFFAIRS, Navy/Marine Corps COVID-19 Study Findings Published in New England Journal of Medicine, 12 November 2020.
    https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/N...dings-published-in-new-england-journal-of-me/
     
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    I quoted their conclusion in full. They were testing the hypothesis quote "Assuming that wearing a face mask halves risk for infection ......" and concluded that a mask did provide some self-protection (to a lesser degrees) but not 50%. They did not conclude that wearing a mask increased the risk to the wearer. Why have you concentrated on the 23% increase and not the 46% decrease? That is not an honest analysis

    No where did I state that the study proved anything. The study even noted their failures. The OP is a lie being spread by anti-maskers
     
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    I'll be waiting for your link too
     
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    From your link:

    "Upon arrival for recruit training, they spent two weeks in a strict, supervised group quarantine that required wearing masks and emphasized hand washing and social distancing as they began their initial military instruction, primarily outdoors."
     
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    I’ll reiterate in case you missed it. All data between subjects and control was statistically insignificant.

    I’m simply pointing out with CI’s that the study is not as conclusive as you (and yes many anti maskers) want to claim it is. I did not say the study showed increased risk. I just pointed out this claim by you is not supported by the data.

    Anti masker lies don’t give us a mandate to misrepresent science.
     
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    Thanks. Your link contains a link to the study so I’m good. :)
     
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    I made no claims regarding the study! I quoted their conclusion in full, word for word. Did you actually read their conclusion?
     
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    These back seat scientists dont even understand that the null hypothesis is in effect (masks do nothing) until they can produce enough evidence to reject it.

    Next up, they'll say "science"!
     
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    They say Fauci.
     
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    Fauci has not authored a study that rejects the null hypothesis either.
     
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    Didn't you say that before?

    It was silly (that's the polite version) before, and it's silly now.

    But hey, it's your fantasy.
     
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    A lifetime case of Freshmanitis. A perpetual Holiday Inn Expert!
     
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    I'm sorry, did he author one and/or present one that caused you to claim that masks work?
     
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    That would hinge on the argument that if not for Trump's remarks, they would have wore the masks. But the reason most people don't, isn't because of a political difference, but out of comfort. If I'm at home, why should I wear a mask? That's what most people are thinking.
     
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    That's my point, I get used to it and forget to pull it down, especially a gaiter.
     
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    It's not just The Federalist reporting this first extensive study stop with the attack the messenger. And the OVERALL infection rate for masked and unmasked showed no benefit. How many times does that have to be stated?
     
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    I don't care who is reporting it! The "messenger" aka The Federalist, printed a fake conclusion. And in what world is "Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others." represent an extensive study?
     
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    I'm just talking the science; the things that we know through experimentation and study, and you are talking hysteria and accusing me of murder. Explain why I should pay attention to that?
     
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