Where have all of the Republicans gone?

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    No parsing or messing needed. I'm simply reading your posts.
     
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    dgrichards Well-Known Member

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    Justice Department Inspector General Report found that the FBI investigation was properly done re:Collusion in both a legal and factual basis. Hardly "crazed". You're quite the little bomb thrower, no?
     
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    dgrichards Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but not very well!
     
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  4. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    You're claiming the IG report found that Trump colluded with Russia?
     
  5. Asherah

    Asherah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Mueller report concluded there wasn't sufficient evidence to charge Trump with criminal conspiracy. That conclusion is tainted by Trump's successful witness tampering. One does wonder why he wanted Stone and Manafort to stay silent, though. Still, innocent until proven guilty regarding conspiracy.

    On the other hand, the witness tampering does seem to have plenty of evidence. I hope this is pursued, to show that Presidents are accountable when they break the law and their oath of office. After conviction, I'd be fine with a commutation.
     
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  6. Asherah

    Asherah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    IMO, Trump was a symptom not a cause. Trump is the embodiment of the right-wing punditocracy (Limbaugh. Hannity, Levin, Savage, Carlson. etc).
     
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    Trump was the result of America not wanting Hillary. That's why I voted for Trump in 2016.

    The left acting the way they have the last 4 year's and Trump actually doing good is why I voted for him in 2020.

    I was close to leaving my party and chose not to vote in 2012. Thanks to the left and Democratic party I am now so far to the right I will never consider voting for anyone but a Republican now.

    The left have pushed so many people to the right it's not funny. We have so many new conservative heroes too and that is thanks to Trump.

    Trump was a cause to have someone better than Hillary or Biden. He is a cause for a better America.
     
  8. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    This reeks of conspiracy nonsense. What "criminal conspiracy?"
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is an element of truth in that. But it isn't "America not wanting Hillary." You know, since a majority of us did. But her unfavorable rating with many Americans was high. The question is why. Was it deserving, or was it the result......in part........on fabricated lies by right wing media and an abuse of power by congressional Repubs in relentlessly pursuing investigations that turned up absolutely nothing of consequence? Certainly not enough to justify voting for an incompetent, corrupt, buffoon.
     
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    Haven't you paid any attention to Stone's contacts with Wikileaks around the time they were releasing the materials Russia stole and gave to them? Or the attempt by Donnie J to acquire what was advertised as dirt on Hillary from the Russian government (failure to commit a crime while trying still constitutes a crime)? Where have you been?
     
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    Says the party of corporate shills. If you party sir hadn't long ago abandoned any principle beyond those with dollar signs you might have a leg to stand on.
     
  12. Gatewood

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    Actually the problem has been that almost none of the 'found' ballots were verified as legitimate before being counted; they were just counted . . . for Biden . . . for Biden . . . For Biden . . . etcetera, etcetera. The states recounting votes cannot REALLY recount them because they have no way to verify that those ballots were genuine in the first place.
     
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    The missing ballots recently found in Georgia were mostly for Trump and slightly decreased the Biden advantage, by a few hundred votes only.
     
  14. Asherah

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    Can you elaborate on what "the left" did?
    It makes sense to support candidates who align with one's views, but I hope you weren't reacting to some outlier idiocy by some progressives.

    Do you ever listen to (or watch) any of the pundits I mentioned? I used to.
     
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  15. Asherah

    Asherah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was criminal conspiracy with Russia that Mueller was investigating. There is no crime of "collusion". Conspiracy would have involved the Trump campaign doing something for Russia in exchange for Russia helping Trump in the election. It was proven that Russia helped Trump; that's not even debatable. But it was not proven that Trump gave something in return. But there absolutely were suspicious activities that needed investigating. For example, Flynn's contacting Russia before Trump was in office, Stone's working with Wikileaks, Trump's pursuit of business deals in Russia (and lying about it - but no harm, no foul, because he wasn't under oath), and of course the infamous Trump tower meeting in which Russian assistance was offered and eagerly accepted by Trump's team (not a crime because nothing came of it, and it seems that nothing was offered in return.) Mighty suspicious behavior, and on top of that. Trump tried to hinder the investigation. That looks very suspicious.

    Reasonable suspicion is not evidence of a crime, but it is reason to investigate.
     
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    Interesting theory. What evidence is there to prove this?
     
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    There was 3 memory cards with missing ballots giving Trump over 2,500 more votes. I think that is the biggest change ever for a recount. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    To bad the ballots could not be authenticated.
     
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    As soon as Trump won I saw videos of Trump supporters being attacked. Protests across the country blocking roads. A man in a ambulance died as the road was blocked. You could not wear a MAGA hat without risk of being attacked.

    People refused to accept Trump and these protests went on for months. George Floyd dying was just more protests that turned into rioting, burning and looting.

    Families literally fell apart. I know a black man who's son quit talking to him because he voted for Trump. The media and Hollywood became so biased vs Trump and his supporters. The things said about Trump was crazy but the media was so quick to attack Trump for anything he said.

    Fake Russia collusion, impeaching the president for something he did not do, calling him illigitimate and not releasing stimulus to hurt Trump. Nancy saying they will remove him no matter what.

    Saying he would start WW3 and then complaining when he makes the world safer with NK peace, not attacking Turkey over the Kurds, pulling out of Afghanistan, making isreal peace deals etc.

    Calling us Deplorables...Need I go on?
     
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  19. ChiCowboy

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    The audited vote totals by hand had Biden at 2,475,141, compared to President Trump's 2,462,857, reducing Biden's lead from about 14,000 votes to 12,284.

    Trump gained about 1,700 statewide. The article doesn't mention the drives, but if you're correct, that would mean Biden gained elsewhere.

    A recount correction of 1,700 seems normal to me, among over 5 million votes cast.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...results-biden-still-ahead-trump-further-check
     
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    To be fair the third drive was only about 300 votes I think and the first 2 was 2,600 and around 2,500 for the other.

    Some of those votes went to Biden and Jo so it did not help Trump much at all.
     
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    You related right-wing Republican talking points. I won't bother to respond to all of them, but I hope you realize there are crazies on both the left and the right, and many deserve the descriptor, "deplorable". This includes left-wingers who engage in violence, as well as the white supremacists who are universally Republican (those are the sort Hillary was referring to, despite her incorrectly saying "half" of them). Belonging to the same party as white supremacists doesn't make you one of them, and it doesn't make you deplorable. But neither does me (or Biden) being Democrat imply we share the views of violent left-wing activists. Every reasonable person should be opposed to the nonsense on both sides, including the side they align with.

    So be careful in claiming you vote Republican because of the extremes on the left. They don't define the position of all Democrats any more than does David Duke define the position of all Republicans.
     
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    Show me where I said that!
     
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    Why are you on this forum? There are rules, and your posts can be deleted for rule violation. You can get banned.

    Are these rules a violation of your free speech? If not, how is it different?
     
  24. Lil Mike

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    Oh I'm well aware of both of those accusations but Donnie J has not been charged with anything and Stone hasn't been charged with anything regarding "the materials Russia stole and gave to them." You're still screaming about stuff that never had any evidence to it.
     
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    No. Simply correcting your assertion that this was some crazed, irresponsible theory put forth by a possibly deranged person or cabal. These were serious people doing serious work based on real evidence and this was confirmed by various investigations, again by serious people doing serious work.
     

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