So Trump supporters, explain how Joe Biden win will ruin your life

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    The Catholic Church is socialist (owned and operated collectively) and they're a charitable organization.
     
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    Okay so the word of God is more just a book of "guidelines".

    He doesn't garnish your accounts he just sends you to hell.

    BTW, I'm not a christian though I was raised as one. I would prescribe to the Jefferson bible I guess. More a book of philosophy and poetry to me.

    I should say though that I have never felt forced to pay taxes. To me it is an obligation as a citizen of the United States.

    But then, I'm not an oath keeper or boogaloo boy itching to murder my fellow Americans because I don't agree with them.
     
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    I know what you're doing but I'll humor you.

    1) yes and no. I think we should adopt a system like Germany. After you graduate highschool you either go to publicly funded college or tradeschool. If you don't want to do that then it's the military. And if you flunk out of school then it's also the military.

    Of course the military would also have some growing up to do... We bring back honor and a respect for our enemies. Training pure killers puts the T in PTSD before combat is even experienced.

    2) I don't see why healthcare can't be a public service. Obviously capitalism and healthcare don't mix. How can insurance (a concept similar to socialism) be allowed to deny paying customers treatment? How is it justified for one clinic to charge $1000.00 for an MRI when another 5 blocks away charges $500.00?

    3) America is great right? To be great we must help everyone who needs it.

    4) No however companies and shareholders should be less greedy and more realistic about the cost of living and inflation.

    5) No but we could do what Japan does where the lowest paid employees make at least 10% of what the highest paid do.

    6) No, a national sales tax would be better but also fraught with trade-offs.

    I'm more a fan of federally decriminalizing marijuana and charging a 'sin' tax.

    I don't know why the party of personal freedom isn't on board with that. Oh wait it's because the prison industrial complex, aka slavery, is more profitable. Plus it keeps those black and brown people in check.
     
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    What deal is that?
    It created more high-paying jobs than low-wage jobs it shipped to Mexico. It also secured preferred access to the second largest supply of raw materials in the world.
    Sure, we can pull out of NATO because they don't want to spend as much money as we do. Oh, wait--we could instead say we'll spend as much as they do. Anyway, Obama secured an agreement with them to spend more money.
    Your solution is what? We contribute more per person to climate change than China.
    We contribute less in percentage terms than our percentage of the world GDP.

    https://www.cfr.org/article/funding-united-nations-what-impact-do-us-contributions-have-un-agencies-and-programs
    So far, you haven't established we're hard done by.
    So, who are these globalists? What is the "globalist advantage?" You're spouting pure nonsense, stuff you either made up or heard from some propaganda source.
     
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    Yes, and...? They're socialist because you don't get your share out out of them if you leave.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe you were raised as one but you sure didn't learn much about the Gospel. God doesn't send anyone to hell for not obeying rules.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As I figured....you lean Socialist.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Try to think of them as an insurance policy. You take a gamble. Trying to justify Socialism by saying we already got it? Looks like that is precisely what you are doing.
     
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    Shew on this.[​IMG]
     
  10. LangleyMan

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    delete
     
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  11. LangleyMan

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    A farming co-op--there are various kinds--is a way of doing business. It's a socialist enterprise that actually works in a free market. People in some farming communities prefer it.
    I'm noting what exists and explaining why it will most likely continue to exist.
    You're against collective ownership in every situation. Except some socialist enterprises operating in a free market are preferred by the community. I gave you an example of a nongovernment socialist enterprise operating in a free market.

    Public schools are government socialism. You find public schools thriving in rural and semi-rural communities because the people trust an elected school board is their guarantee at least some schools will reflect the overall character of the community.

    Socialism does not work at the nation state level, or even the state level in our federal republic. I could explain why it can't work, but I reserve presenting the argument to a socialist.
     
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    Twice you have entered the word Socialist with the word "free"........I don't begin to see how that works.Socialism is never voluntary and is extremely hard (short of violent revolution) to reverse.
     
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  13. LangleyMan

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    Do you know what a free market is?
     
  14. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes I do.....it entails freedom. Is freedom compatible with Socialism? Socialism is an enforced market.
     
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    You continue to suggest my comment about "free markets" is socialist. Absurd.

    P.S. Socialism can be voluntary ... farming co-ops, for example.

    P.P.S. Socialism doesn't work at the nation state level.
     
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    That is a lot of crap that co-ops are Socialism. Insurance is Socialism? Belonging to a Book Club? I could care less otherwise what you say, but the danger here is when you try to say we are engaged in "good socialism" to make us ,more receptive to the real thing. I don't buy it.
     
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    They are owned and operated collectively.
    No, and why are you asking me?
    No.
    Of course. I'm an economist and historian--you wouldn't want to pay attention to someone who knows something. Better to tell me I'm talking about socialism when I refer to "free markets." :roll:
    Socialism is collective ownership of the means of production. Obviously, there are instances where it is voluntary and able to compete in free markets. I was a member of a cooperative when I lived in a farm community. We bought everything from gasoline, groceries, appliances, and clothing to seed, fertilizer, and equipment from the co-op.
    What are you going to do--outlaw farm cooperatives? :roflol:
     
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    What are you going to do--outlaw farm cooperatives? :roflol:......says Langley man who thinks Farm cooperatives are Socialism. Cooperatives are voluntary and increase buying power in a free market. Go ahead, roll on the ground laughing like a i girl.... doesn't make it so.
     
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    They're owned and operated collectively. It cost us $5 (for the paperwork) to join the co-op and become voting members.
    Nothing wrong with being a girl. :grin:
     
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    Sure.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 16:19-31&version=NIV

     
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    Life requires good health.

    Liberty requires taxpayer dollars to defend it.

    Pursuit of happiness requires a good paying job which most people go to college to get, but then they spend many years in crushing debt with interest. Unless they already come from money.

    This is what entitlement is;

    http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/featured/myth-white-privilege-clouds-reality-white-entitlement/

    And this



    And this;

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...e-of-entitlement-how-wealth-breeds-narcissism

    Snowflake
     
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    Self identifying victims never rise above the bottom of a cesspool.
    Self identifying victims never rise above the bottom of a cesspool.
     
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    I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by this.

    If you think I feel like a victim of something or if you assume that I'm looking for handouts you're wrong.

    I didn't go to college so I don't have any of that debt.

    I'm not wealthy but here's the thing... I don't want to be.

    Money has become as abstract a concept as time itself. It's worthless compared to my happiness in life. What I have accomplished, and the love I have make it meaningless to me.

    As far as time goes... Well think of this, we small beings live on a microscopic droplet of water with some dirt in it compared to the universe. This whole existence is just one long event not many events divided by rotations of our planet that revolves around the sun.

    Oh and we all put the same thing in toilet every morning.
     
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    That is factual and we have much in common....but when you continue to harp that race makes you somehow special......I am at the end of it.
     
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