Definitive proof that there was no fraud

What experts are claiming Fraud? The Giuliani kind of expert? The Trump kind? The Sidney Powell kind?
No serious election official is claiming fraud.
What investigations? Trump's campaign looked and looked and looked and found nothing. Don't you think that by now, they might have uncovered some evidence?

 

Yet you voted for a candidate that wants to remove checks and balances.

 

Complain to the pollsters, if they phrased it unfairly. Maybe THEY were not being honest but you are shooting the messenger. I merely reported what THEY did. Don't call me dishonest. I've given EXTENSIVE proof here that I post in good faith, and you calling me dishonest is not appreciated.

Of course lawful permanent residents should get healthcare, and do. Who is questioning that? Not me.

Illegal aliens? Not at all. You are not thinking this through.

I read the Sanders plan. He said this: Anybody coming to the border and asking for refugee status shall be admitted for the person's safety, and then we'll investigate the status and sort it out. Immediately after the person comes in, the person is granted free healthcare. Domestic violence qualifies for it.

OK, so, let's see - and don't read me wrong, I'm not for domestic violence at all, of course, but I'll be talking about someone falsely claiming it.

A woman gets breast cancer. Her third world country can't treat it, she can't afford the treatment. Even though she has a loving husband who never mistreated her, in this matter of life or death she approaches the US border by herself and claims domestic violence, asks for asylum. She is immediately admitted, and immediately granted free healthcare. She then discloses her breast cancer and demands treatment. She gets care worth $500,000 with surgery and expensive chemotherapy. Once healed, she withdraws her asylum claim and goes back to her country, to live again with her loving husband.

In her village, she tells other about her success story. Next week 10 women present to the border with the same story. A month later it's 100. Three months later it's 1,000.

And it's not even that. You say that a residency time is required. So, several illegal aliens request healthcare, with all sorts of expensive conditions. One needs a lung transplant. Another one needs open heart surgery. Several others have cancers in need for expensive chemotherapy.

You say, well, let's grant them if they've been here, say, two years. OK, they are here ILLEGALLY and hiding from the authorities. When they work, often there are no records and they are paid in cash under the table. So pray tell, how do you verify that these people seeking expensive care have been here for two years? Through affidavits from their friends and neighbors? What would stop those friends and neighbors from lying in those affidavits? Would you have a committee to make this life-and-death decisions about who genuinely qualifies?

Medical tourism would be extremely attractive. People would flock here from all over the world for this sole reason, and would manage to fake proof of presence here, in order to qualify.

Oh, it's humanitarian? No doubt. But we can't afford it. We barely have enough resources to assist our OWN citizens. Yes, I'm for universal healthcare but for our citizens and lawful permanent residents only, like in pretty much all developed countries on Earth.

I am a dual citizen of the United States and one of the countries in the European Union (I won't say which one just for privacy - I actually think I told you by PM but not here, publicly). In one of my numerous visits to my European country I had a health crisis, pretty serious, and ended up in a hospital, and had surgery. They asked for proof of citizenship. I showed my European Union passport issued by that country. They took care of me and didn't charge me a cent. I was curious and asked, "If I weren't a citizen, what would you have done?" The doctors said, "we'd have patched you up temporarily to stabilize the life-threatening part of your condition, and would kick you out unless you were willing and able to pay out of pocket or with some sort of international insurance that would pay for it. We're not here to treat aliens on our citizens' dime."

 

I voted for the candidate that had a possibility of kicking Trump out of the White House, and he did. Thankfully. I have my reasons to vote against Trump, and I don't grant to you the authority to question my choices. I'm a free, eligible citizen of this country, and I vote for whoever I freely choose, dammit!

 

Agreed, Pat.

But, you must realize it was the ultimate game of 999 Quadrillion-D Chess:

Allow the GOP to Hold The Senate, Make Gains in The House, and take control of Some State Legislatures.

It was all part of the Dems Grand Scheme to steal the POTUS Election by throwing them off the scent.

A Diabolical, Well-Executed Plan.

I gotta give The Dems Credit. What a Tricky Bunch.

 

LOL, you voted for higher taxes, job killing regulations, and Obama’s third term of disastrous foreign policy.

 

Given the spectrum of what we have been seeing for the last four years, the search for evidence of anything meets with denial and redirection.
While there is evidence of a great deal of fraud, that has been more on small or local scale- but we know fraud exists; the question is the focus and scale... and who is behind it.
Perhaps the most important aspect of this is voter confidence. When people suspect their votes are meaningless because of fraud- the entire process of electing leaders becomes meaningless
and the the rule of law as well as the credibility of the system is undermined. When you blow off their concerns- they wonder why you fear the investigative process.

The democrats claimed the Russian dossier described a Trump scheme to designed defraud the vote, and despite finding it was a Hillary Clinton project and contrived to as a political deception (which certainly was a kind of voter fraud) they still pursued as big an investigation as I've ever seen, pompous and arrogantly- and loaded the investigative authority with people we know had an agenda of hating Trump and proving a foregone conclusion. Telling them it didn't happen was irrelevant- they had "evidence".... that they had fabricated. That is still under investigation on the other hand now, by Durham. There is no question that people have tried to distort the will of the people with fakery, with hate and bias- and that this was taking place within trusted agencies of government by trusted people.

Credibility of such people becomes zero- to the point that you don't question if what they say is a lie, you can be sure of it when they open their mouths. I've seen more incivility and deceptions in politics from democrats in the last four years than I have seen from either party in my life, and I remember Harry Truman.

Trust is no longer on the table, and it needs to be restored. It will have to be learned again, and will require some respect for others as well as conduct that as the government ethics guide says- Does not present even the appearance of impropriety". "Nothing to see here, move along" is not the way to do that. The real trick in fraud is to do it in such a way that nobody even realizes it's happened. IF Biden had run a vigorous campaign with a realistic platform, IF he hadn't aligned himself with people who are obviously detrimental to the nations best interests, IF we didn't see massive manipulation of media acting like Strozok was writing the script and choreographing it, things might be different. Perhaps nobody has found the skunk yet, but the smell of it is all over this election; the same smell that has been common to the dem attacks from the beginning. In medical terms- when certain symptoms are clearly presenting, you know there is a reason why. If the reason isn't obvious, you don't walk away from the situation- you look further.

Will Sidney Powell have evidence? She has filed a massive lawsuit alleging large scale vote fraud via a novel scheme, and has implied she has the proof to back it up. While it's possible she would file such suit frivolously, this is no amateur attorney; she knows her business, and I doubt she would file it unless she believed she could back it up.

There is nothing to be lost by investigation- if no fraud exists. However if the opposite is true, it would constitute a crime on a scale never seen before, and has vast implications.

 

An election can only be stolen externally, internally it's well nigh impossible, logistically, (owing to the vast decentralized nature of the electoral process ) and the masters of external cheating are republicans.

 

Totally false according to the experts testifying and congressional hearings previous to 2020.

 

They don't need to do a lot of "cheating" with ballots - they just do everything they can to suppress the votes, especially those by minorities

 

True.

Of course, Everybody KNOWS that The Election WASN'T "Stolen".

So, obviously, your observation is valid.

 

You're naturally entitled to your - very obvious - wishful thinking of course.

You keep encouraging members on this forum to ask themselves questions, cajoling them with your far right positions well-coated in pseudo-philosophical platitudes.
Yet you don't seem to be following your own good advice. If I were you, I would start to seriously wonder about all these fraud allegations.

So far, in terms of fraud, NOTHING has been proven; all judge decisions have been against Trump campaign.

You say Sidney Powell is no amateur attorney; do you know her or her record? I don't. What I see is that she is being put in doubt by the Trump legal team itself. Giuliani used to be a good lawyer too - anyway I believe so - but I also think he lost all credibility after his pathetic and clownesque show of last week.

The "vast implications" you are calling for are a merely dreams that won't come true.

Trump's last resort is to buy the EC voters. I don't think he would have the slightest hesitation to do so.

 

I can afford my taxes, easily. My job is extremely secure. There is no way in hell I'll lose it, regardless of what happens to the economy. The foreign policy is not my priority as a voter.

 

Virginia is now in play.

Nov 9th ~370,000 votes disappeared off the count. Up to that point Trump was in the lead.

 

Frankly I think Sidney Powell is crazy. She is the one who said Hugo Chavez is behind it. Hugo Chavez! The guy has been dead for the last 7 years! She is a conspiracy theorist. Most likely the novel method she is hinting at, is George Soros manipulating the election through ethereal waves sent via the 5G network. It won't surprise me if she shows up for a hearing sporting a tinfoil hat. I mean, even the Tramp campaign kicked her out. When you are TOO crazy for the Trump campaign, it doesn't bode well.

 

Do you believe Biden can just raise taxes on his own? If yes, walk me through that process.

 

Yeah, sure, pal. Keep having hope. Like I said, it will keep you happy until the inevitable, on December 14th. Sleep well while you can.

 

He can certainly create job killing regulations.

 

Exactly.

After Dec. 14, it WILL Be 100% Over

 

Feel free to post your link to your 'experts'. I'd like to read what they said, indeed, if it backs up your claim.

I'm not saying it's impossible, 'well nigh impossible' is another way of saying 'highly improbable'.

think about what it would entail. There would have to be a coordinated conspiracy whereby operatives would have to apply for jobs, and be hired in several hundred, if not thousands, of field offices where counting is done, months in advance, and the scheme would require the cooperation of election officials and volunteers, from both parties, across ALL of the 'predicted' swing states ( noting that some were not predicted, so the conspiracy would have to entail beyond the swing states, predicting before hand which states they might be ).

The odds of doing that and getting away with it are practically nil, such that no one with half a brain would try it. There is no way anyone could get away with such a hairbrained scheme, and evidence for such thing would be plentiful, from testimonies, volunteers with guilty consciences turning states evidence, and so forth ( there just isn't any evidence of it ). It is also why Russians were unable to do it, internally, so they went the external route.

 

The servers were connected to the internet so they could relay the count to servers overseas. Even the machines that send results once by modem have been proven to be insecure. Then there are the key cards that went missing before the election. One key card can infect all the machines connected to the internal intranet.

 

That's precisely what I said 'externally' and 'republicans are the master of external cheating' (called 'voter suppression' )

 

Well of course. That was one of his campaign promises, right? He said he wants every American out of work and on welfare. I heard that is what he’s going to said at his inauguration. And as he’s saying it he’ll be giving everyone the finger. At least that’s what I heard from my wife’s, sisters, friends great uncle on her mother’s side.

 

Yet the complaints were about early voting, not day of voting. The baseless democrat lawsuits failed.

 

Fake news. But by all means provide a link proving me wrong.