The U.N. ,Democrats, and their plan for America

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You nailed it! To me it is not just "Christian Dogma". It is reality. You work through the UN. I'll work through my faith. Don't ever pretend the Christian walk is about joining an organization.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Blah blah blah.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is good news to me. Hope the faith goes beyond the religion though. Orthydoxy can be similar to Catholisim. Their are followers there and there are also people that practice a religion. It has to be personal. Not something the structure tells you to do.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Elitist movements are dangerous to us all. It just seems to depend on ....who goes first?
     
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    When was the last famine in China?
    Image: newworldencyclopedia.org
    The Great Chinese Famine (Chinese: 三年大饑荒, "three years of famine") was a period in the People's Republic of China between the years 1959 and 1961 characterized by widespread famine. Aug 29 2019

    ...almost 3 decades before the 'opening up' reforms that allowed private ownership of businesses and farms.

    Now i'm getting the impression you are only (!) 6 decades behind the times, in your understanding of the remarkable achievements of "socialism with Chinese characteristics", since the reforms.


     
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    Yes.
    The present obsolete neoliberal orthodoxy with its NAIRU dogma which only serves vested interests, denies the capacity of a currency issuing national government to guarantee employment to all who want it, when the private sector fails to produce that outcome.

    Note: don't be deceived by the neoliberal stooges' proposition that only some people create wealth.

    In fact true wealth which is the basis of the nation's prosperity, is produced by very few people eg educators, farmers, builders, engineers, and doctors.

    The vast financial industry is mostly "a giant squid wrapped around the face of humanity" as so memorably expressed by Rolling Stones Magazine, during the GFC. Then there's the junk food, alcohol, tobacco, transport of same, advertising, and all the rest of it.

    All of which means the public sector CAN act as employer of last resort, by providing a job guarantee*, when the private sector cannot employ everyone at above poverty level.

    * there is always some socially useful/desired work/service which can be ascertained at the local governement level. (Google job guarantee)

    So get to it: the government can bulldoze the ghettos, and ensure everyone participates in the resulting new economy, because there is no shortage of resources or productive capacity that would prevent the nation from doing so.

    Common sense, really..... unless you are a neoliberal ideologue pushing vested interests who can't see common sense.

    Note: China has now officially eradicated poverty this year (2020) AND built the world's largest high speed rail network in the world during the last decade, and

    "China used more cement between 2011 and 2013 than the U.S. used in the entire 20th Century. It’s a statistic so mind-blowing that it stunned Bill Gates and inspired haiku. But can it be true, and, if so, how? Yes, China’s economy has grown at an extraordinary rate, and it has more than four times as many people as the United States."

    So don't tell me the US is incapable of bulldozing the inner city ghettos....

    Note: crank and like minded individuals have no knowledge of macroeconomics; they think government budgets are like private sector (eg household) budgets.

    And apparently they recoil at the idea that money can be created ex nihilo by government - just as it is in private sector banks, when these banks write loans for (hopefully!) credit worthy customers.
     
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    This plan, in & of itself, seems in no way capable of doing what you personally estimate it to call for. From what I've seen of it, what I think (since you asked) is that either you haven't read it, or that your misgivings come from something completely separate from this plan. Here's the part of the, "plan," concerning ENERGY, and the beginning of the section on ECONOMIC GROWTH. To be clear, I'm not saying that you have no basis for your concerns; I'm saying that you are not sharing your explanation of that basis, because this plan, with no specifics & no enforcement, ain't it. It is only a compilation of goals, ranging from vague to lofty. In fact, I'd be curious to know with which, if any, of the general statements below, from the plan, you would take issue.

    Goal 7.Ensure access to affordable, reliable, sustainable and modern energy for all

    7.1 By 2030, ensure universal access to affordable, reliable and modern energy services

    7.2 By 2030, increase substantially the share of renewable energy in the global energy mix

    7.3 By 2030, double the global rate of improvement in energy efficiency

    7.a By 2030, enhance international cooperation to facilitate access to clean energy research
    and technology, including renewable energy, energy efficiency and advanced and cleaner
    fossil-fuel technology, and promote investment in energy infrastructure and clean energy
    technology

    7.b By 2030, expand infrastructure and upgrade technology for supplying modern and
    sustainable energy services for all in developing countries, in particular least developed
    countries, small island developing States and landlocked developing countries, in accordance
    with their respective programmes of support

    Goal 8. Promote sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, full and
    productive employment and decent work for all

    8.1 Sustain per capita economic growth in accordance with national circumstances and, in
    particular, at least 7 per cent gross domestic product growth per annum in the least developed
    countries

    8.2 Achieve higher levels of economic productivity through diversification, technological
    upgrading and innovation, including through a focus on high-value added and labour-intensive
    sectors

    8.3 Promote development-oriented policies that support productive activities, decent job
    creation, entrepreneurship, creativity and innovation, and encourage the formalization and
    growth of micro-, small- and medium-sized enterprises, including through access to financial services.
     
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    Yes, we had a mix-up, here. I did not recognize the abbreviation UNUDHR, so mistakenly assumed it had something to do w/ a religious missionary effort. While I could have looked it up, so could you have given some indication as to what it was. I am, honestly, still not 100% sure, but I'm guessing that you were referring to the program that google suggested, because nothing came up under those initials. The UNHCR, is a refugee assistance program which would seem as Christianly an undertaking as any might imagine, undiminished by the fact that it is a secular, U.N.-organized enterprise.

    https://give.unrefugees.org/191101g...KAcl8QhdfOumNoUrrB0x_xDWJOHlNl0QaAlMREALw_wcB
     
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    So I take it the graphic, above, is referring specifically to within the U.S. market? And you are saying that Mainstream Media, in the EU, reports on the Great Reset, not just as a phenomenon of popular belief among the masses, but as it would any other credible political news story with such tremendous ramifications? Because, if it weren't obvious to you, your assertion would be boldly underlined by your linking (an English-language version of) just such a major European newspaper or news outlet story to your post.

    Beyond substantiating that part of your argument, I have a question for you about the implied other half of the equation: i.e., that the U.S. media is deliberately (?) mischaracterizing this story as mere conspiracy theory. The 2 most basic questions here are: 1) WHY-- what is the compelling force or motivation, keeping all the employees in their vast organizations in line?
    2) The U.S. MSM includes not just LIBERAL, but also CONSERVATIVE news corporations (Rupert Murdoch's empire comes to mind), & FOX NEWS & The New York Post, & The Wall Street Journal certainly qualify as mainstream. So why are they playing along; & if they are, what is your basis for classifying this mixed group as, "lieral?"
     
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    So if you are saying that we need to depend on God to sort things out ? - and how exactly does one do that ?
     
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    Not style.
     
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    Isn't it amazing?

    How we had this historic resurgence of racism at the same time segregation increased??

    Whatta coincidence!!!
     
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    The question you need to ask is how we can pursue our interests while also encouraging China to play nice inside and outside their country.

    That will require knowing how diplomacy works, knowing a lot about China, and about Asia, and other stuff.
     
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    Vote for Biden. He will screw things up so bad God will be forced to take a hand.
     
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    Why is it the harder a person is projecting, the less aware of it they seem to be?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So if you are honestly interested in my take....I'll give it to you. You read and understand God's Word then you stand on His promises to us. Then you abide in His precepts individually and talk about the benefits to others. You do take an active role in what you can do to sort things out but that does not involve using collective force to change the lives and opinions of others. Remember, Jesus never used that "collective force" but brought about change in a different way.
     
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    That die has already been cast I am afraid - and to be honest - I don't think it mattered who got in this term - the whole time will be spent dealing with Covid - followed by the Covid Aftershock which could well kill more people than Covid.

    By the time 2024 comes round - the US will be a very different place - and Public Opinion will be in a very different place - so anything is possible .. Ivanka in 2024 perhaps ?


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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Funny you talk about China Virus killing people....jump on the fear train that Democrats have used so effectively.
    John Hopkins Research just reported that the total death rate has not gone up significantly at all. To me, that signifies those that died largely were on the cusp of dying from something else.
     
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    I am quite interested and quite serious. Say Tomorrow - society takes a decision to let God sort things out. How exactly would this work?

    When you ponder this at any length - the thought gets more and more ridiculous.

    Say we decide - as a first step - to use "God's Law" as our legal system and hope that sorts things out. How would we figure out what Gods Law is - and who get's to decide ?

    One says "God's Law is this" another say's "Gods law is that" - and we get the Crusades all over again.

    For example - I have extensive knowledge of the Bible and what "God's word" - but you don't understand this word in the same way I do.
    never mind if we try to implement on a societal level where we have to consider the word of every other God/Religion.

    The only way for societal change to happen - is by the collective force. - be it some totalitarian dictator - or "The Borg"

    We seem to be conflating the actions and beliefs of the individual with that of the collective.

    Let us say one person follow's Jesus - sure this persons life and perspective will change - but you need a whole bunch of folks believing the same thing (the collective) to effect societal change.
     
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    I don't know. Find a mirror and ask yourself.
     
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    and you must have completely misread my post - What part of - More people will be killed by the economic effects of these lockdowns - than from Covid - did you miss ?
     
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    I'm not sure what things will look like when this election is finally over but neither Party is stupid. We can't continue with the lock down crap and the fear and when vaccines are available whoever is in charge is going to have to deal with the fallout. I don't think it will be Trump and have serious doubts it will be Biden. I think the puppeteer is actually going to be Obama and his gang. Biden will be a figurehead, the curtain to hide the Wizard.
     
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    While I agree with the puppeteer analogy .. The Wizard behind the curtain is not Obama - but the same wizard who was behind the curtain during the Obama admin .. and the Trump admin for that matter.
     
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    I thought it was already on its knees,Trump is dumped by an old man hopping around on one foot. It can't get much worse but i'm sure you will try.
     

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