Let's face the facts: Trump is not lying about election fraud

If by he you mean Barr there has not been a forensic investigation so a statement by Barr is simply opinion.

 

I'm referring to the video of the Dominion contractor that you posted.

 

Ah, sorry, too many threads. Chain of custody is required by law. So far so many chains of custody have been broken it begs the question of a valid election.

 

I think trump knows exactly what he's doing. Since the election he's brought in more than 200M dollars that are his to do with what ever he wants. That's the same reason he's leading people to believe he will run again in 2024; to bring in more money. Anything and everything trump has ever done was for one purpose only. That was to put more money in his pocket no matter who got thrown under the bus.

 

For the sake of argument (since I don't know if it's true), suppose there are cases in which chain of custody laws were broken. That implies the vote counters broke the chain of custody laws. It does not imply the vote counts were necessarily manipulated. So what would you like to happen? A process error by vote counters can't result in invalidating legal votes. Recount? Go for it.

 

Well the real issue with broken chains of custody is not being able to verify if any vote in that particular chain is legal. That does not mean a court would invalidate a count because they are averse to do that but it does outline how poorly elections are handled.

 

Some of us are independent thinkers and independent voters.

I don't care for Trump and did not vote for him either time.

But I am a curious person and analytical thinker. There is no question that Russiagate was a false flag operation and that Trump was framed, along with Michael Flynn.

So far, a month later, for the independent observer, there is very much circumstantial and direct evidence of voter fraud.

Understanding that on its best day politics is a dirty business, it seems pretty obvious that the voter fraud was massive.

 

The notion that the Russia investigation was a "false flag operation" is conspiracy theory, so if that's something you independently determined, I suggest you learn more about the fallacious nature of conspiracy theories. This Wikipedia article is a good start.

As an independent thinker myself, I'm willing to be proven wrong - so feel free to provide the facts and reasoning that independently led you to draw that conclusion.

 

If you believe the Russiagate Narrative, you are a conspiracy theorist biased towards government-spun narratives, you are not an independent thinker, you are a follower of authoritarian orthodoxy.

 

This assumes that a President can do whatever they want with no check on their power.

 

Mainstream USES high tech- and high tech uses mainstream. We all have smart phones; damn few actually know how they work or if the phone or software is tracking everything you do- and damn sure couldn't build one.
Big difference between the two.

 

It's true that if there were no checks on his power, an unhinged President could do unlimited damage. But the checks do not prevent all serious damage. For example, he withdrew from the Iran deal over the objection of advisors. There was no stopping him. I realize this was applauded by a lot of supporters, but this is a complex matter that certainly needed to be guided by sound judgment. No one can insist that it was, and mass political opinion (pro or con) is not the determinant.

Words matter a great deal. Trump could have exercised leadership to encourage the wearing of masks, but instead he ridiculed people for wearing them, praised those who resisted, and he diminished the risk repeatedly - despite privately admitting how dangerous it was. This displayed horrendous judgment that cost lives. How many, I don't know - I don't blame him for all deaths.

Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem is another. I honestly don't know how events will develop in the Middle East, so I won't predict disaster, but it's another item with potentially serious consequences that depended on his questionable judgment.

North Korea- was that good or bad? It was good TV, good photo ops, and good exposure for Kim, but has it made us safer?

Revealing classified information to Russians in 2017 was assinine (story).

 

In fact, I'm convinced he knows he has lost - but will not admit it. As he said at his campaign rallies - he would be losing to the biggest loser in American politics. So the only way for him to save face is to play the blame game. This is all calculated - and started well before the election. He was hedging his bets back then, and doubling down now. Its all about controlling the message.

 

Perhaps NONE? Seriously, I'm open to taking a look at any statistical anomalies that are alleged, but I see a huge amount of confirmation bias in play: if someone (anyone!) alleges there's a statistical anomaly, the allegation spreads like wildfire by those who fail to examine it critically. For example, Rand Paul's assertion about 4 "data dumps" turning the election.

Worst campaign in history? What's your basis - is it that you and your friends weren't convinced to vote for him? This seems to be a popular claim, but I haven't seen anyone give a reasonable defense of it. Here's an exchange I had with someone earlier in this thread:

 

Trump knows he lost. If he didn't, he wouldn't be hiding. We'd be seeing him every day on TV. It's his people who don't know he lost, and they are very generous people.

 

TRUMP IS 100% LYING ABOUT VOTER FRAUD.

THERE WERE LITTLE BITS OF FRAUD, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO EVEN FLIP ONE SINGLE STATE.

 

Oh, you mean just like Obama started a war with no Congressional approval? You mean just like Obama signed an Executive Order, ordering that immigration law not be enforced? I guess absolutely NONE of that was "dangerous!"

And who exactly are these "advisors" who objected? Are you under the impression that Trump went against his Secretary of State in withdrawing from the Iran deal?

And what happened? That's right! RECORD peace deals which haven't been seen since the early 90's! ! Peace deals which that useless piece of CRAP and former Secretary of State John Kerry said would NEVER be possible without the consent of the Palestinians!

What evidence do you have that Trump's anti-mask rhetoric "cost lives?" Do you have even one single SHRED of evidence? I'm guessing not.

Are you serious? Why the HELL would anything happen in the future if nothing has happened by now after all these years?

Definitely not. That was an utterly USELESS move, which just gave that piece of human waste Kim good exposure. Hey, I'm not saying that Trump got ALL foreign policy right!

Are you promoting an unproven theory?

 

Irrelevant to a discussion of Trump's judgement.

Tillerson, McMaster, and Mattis.

I don't mind giving credit to the Trump administration for these deals, but I hope you realize these were not earthshaking breakthroughs. They formalized relations that were already informally in place.

The most direct example is Herman Cain. Secondly, his crowded campaign events have been show to be followed by a spike in infections. Third: by praising those who refused to wear masks and denigrating those that do, he's discouraging mask use when he should be encouraging it. Fourth: he earlier called it a hoax, and many came to believe that. Such people aren't going to take precautions. Fifth: a number if people in his administration, and in the secret service, became infected due to lax practices. Everyone who gets infected risks spreading it to others. The more people who are infected, the more people that will die.

That's why I said I wasn't predicting disaster. There's been stalemate for many years, but this is a step backwards.

I'm answering a question about what might be examples of poor judgment. Are you denying it's true just because it came from unnamed sources? My overarching point is that judgment matters, and that poor judgment can have bad consequences.

 

Because the guy who was not in his basement was out making lies to the American people. 15 will go to ZERO. It will magically disappear. And the complete bumbling of the pandemic by the incompetent narcissist that was to lead America through a crisis.

Instead, he divided America further with the crisis. Blue states vs red states, when it would have been simple to rally All Americans around a common enemy, the virus.
He blew it, as only a true narcissist could do.

 

He set up this fraud excuse when he started to dismantle the postal service. To add to his fraud claim about mail in.
But his hand picked judges can't even give him a victory in court, his claims are so outrageous.

 

Trump is 100% lying about voter fraud.

 

Trump is 100% lying

That is a given on any subject

 

And yet the stock market reached historic highs, unemployment reached historic low, poverty shrank dramatically, median income and wages rose, we signed the USMCA which even Biden said was much better than NAFTA, we are getting nations to sign peace and normalization agreements with Israel, Trump's the first president in 40 years NOT to start any new wars or conflicts, every economic indicator is better, and yet.... you claim he was inept and horrible. You may hate Trump, and dislike him on a personal basis, but don't don't lie about his positive domestic and foreign relations accomplishments. Remember, Obama's last quarter of GDP growth was a paltry 1.6%, and that's after he had eight years of his policies in place.

If Trump were allowed to continue another four years, we may see some actual peace in the Mid East. How soon people forget the stagnant wages and US economy, the weekly beheadings and mass shootings by Islamic terrorists all throughout the Obama years.

 

Just ignore your petty personal dislikes of Trump, and look at the results. Before China plagued the world with this virus, our nation looked better than it had in many decades. I don't know what a Biden presidency would look like for the world or for the USA domestically, but I like what I we were experiencing just three years after Trump. I'd rather not return to a world dominated by China stealing us blind, endless wars, Islamic terrorist mass shootings, a stagnant economy and wages, rising energy costs. Biden seems so out of it, I don't know who will be calling the shots, and I don't think Biden really cares, as long as he gets his portrait on the wall.

 

Trump's team filed 40 lawsuits and lost 39 of them; what does that tell you?