What will win the god wars? Faith, Fantasy, Facts, or God?

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  1. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    God the evil kills. God the good cures.

    Christians adore the mass killers as fascists are prone to do.

    Being that right wing is a condition and indicator of an overactive sense of insecurity.

    It is our selfish gene out of moral control.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Christian belief is based on a fair judgement from a genocidal and infanticidal god of war, who lives in fear of other gods, as shown by the first commandment.

    If that is not a sign of insanity, I do not know what is. They follow Mein Kamp and not the bible.

    Thank all the gods that secularism and freedom have won the god wars.

    I am please that you seem to be able to put dots together. I thank you for that.

    You are a better communicator than I.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Lurkers will see a better non-believer ideology than they would otherwise.

    I am not one but do not mind being on their moral side as statistics show the positive human benefits as compared to the negatives the religious produce.

    The polarity you spoke of is correct. It is garbage.

    The polarity within religions, in terms of homophobia and misogyny, by your standards, are also garbage.

    All moral people will agree. Right?

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    Atheists and other victims of religions that use inquisitions and jihads have been assaulted from day one of the birth of religions based on fascist ideals.

    The West assaults fascism peacefully when it can. It is the enemy within that the constitution warns of.

    The U.S. makes laws respecting religions when it is specifically told not to in the constitution.

    Insanity.

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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ....we must first all agree to "cooperate".....or your laws are worthless pieces of trash.
    ....we must first agree what "fact" and "truth" is....or your laws are worthless pieces of trash.
    Are you suggesting you can force humans to cooperate by creating even more pieces of paper??
    Or maybe shame them into cooperating as religion tries to do?
    Maybe you think cooperation just occurs like tRump says the COVID will simply disappear on it's own.
    Or perhaps cooperation itself becomes a contagion......

    Surely you must have a plan....since you claim this thread to be crap.

     
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    "All animals pay attention to physical things that allow them to survive and thrive."

    This may no longer apply, given that we are knowingly continuing to destroy our eco system. We are ignoring how bad things will be with climate change.

    The rich might have a sense of it as they are hoarding like never before.

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    DL
     
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    True...but then again...the rich hoarding out of fear has always been their affliction.
     
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    Indeed. A well as their strength.

    They are just poor mediators and managers and it is to us who think we think better to help them mitigate the harm of their condition.

    Yin and Yang are harmonious and have no conflict though.

    This is one of those, forgive them for they know not what they do, type of situation.

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    DL
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for your threads and your posts....for me you indicate wisdom
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for that interpretation...I can see truth in those thoughts.
     
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    Made me blush. Thanks.

    Now if only I had some of your abilities.

    Compliments on your moral sense.

    Wisdom is hard to quantify, but it cannot be gained without the moral sense you show.

    We are on the narrow path, to the religious, but they do not see that this is the fast lane.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    I sense you have an awareness of great peace....something most Christian may never realize in one lifetime...
     
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    Thanks.

    All good thinking is available to those who seek to think well.

    Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers and never give up raising the bar of excellence for the best rules and laws to live by.

    Christians are idol worshipers of a genocidal satanic god that they somehow see as good and have forgotten to raise their bar.

    They no longer raise the bar of excellence and see that vile Yahweh as the best in moral wisdom.

    Pray for Christians. Satan has them by the delusional mind.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Yes - that agreement is our constitution.

    Yes - laws are expected to be enforced.
     
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    Not really. You have to remember that religion is not the only factor conributing to the views of citizens.

    When religion is found to be thse sole reason for a specfic law, that law is usually pretty weak. We have important examples of eliminating laws that are found to be present solely because of religious belief.

    Lawrance v Texas is an example.

    Obergefel v Hodges is an example.
     
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    True, but they are not at issue here.

    Half mark.

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    And what good is it if nobody will abide by it...or they simply choose to interpret it there own way without regard to it's intention?

    Or course they are....unless nobody pays any attention to them.
    See any of that going on lately??
     
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    At time 1.37



    Given that the U S does not really enforce the constitution now, there is no reason to think it will in the near future.

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    You're assuming that policy you don't like is coming from religion.

    Is abortion law coming from religion? Certainly not in every case. I would suggest that ALL Americans would like there to be fewe aborions. And, that softens resistence to laws limiting it.

    The amazingly rapid flip on laws related to LGBTQ is a good indication that the basis wasn't totally religious. If it were tied to relgion, chang that fast would be essentially impossibble, as religion can not change that fast.

    Etc.

    My only point is that one has to be careful when attempting to find the source of some of our laws, as there certainly may be a religious foundation for some, but that doesn't mean that religion is the only reason the law is there.

    Beyond that, when a religious foundation is found, attacking the religion is a poor choice of response. For example, in the case of abortion one could work to replace the approach of laws against women with an approach of addressing the reasons that women choose abortion - concern about availability of healthcare, concern about jobs/food/housing, concern abou an end to education, or whatever.

    We can win on those.

    We can't win on "your religion is crap".
     
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    OK. I'm not sure where to go with these generalities.

    It's certainly truue that there are always going to be differences.

    I'm really just making the point that "your religion is crap" is not a successful direction. It WILL make things worse, not better.
     
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    How much of that improvement occurred during the Christian era?

    Hmm, just something to think about...
     
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    Perhaps you have not yet recognized the similarities between yourself and the religious people...
    you claim to be an atheist...and yet the ideas you express here seem to imply that man-made laws and the constitution
    are the beliefs you adhere to....
    So how do you see yourself as any less religious than the religious??
    What I'm attempting clarify here....is that your religion...is also "crap".
     
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    During the Dark Ages of Christian Europe there was the flowering of science and technology in the Middle East, bringing with it benefits not available in the West.

    Later as the west caught up and moved forward Christianity brought reliigious wars between Protestants and Cathoolics - not even Christians could live with Christians.

    Then the west got the major advances that led to separation of religion and government as seen in our own founding documents.

    Claiming all that as being benefits of Christianity is a little nutty, wouldn't you agree?
     
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    Suggesting that every body of law is a religion just makes the word "religion" worthless.

    As a country, we DO need a documented description stating how our government may go about solving various problems.

    I think you need to consider what your issues really are.
     

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