Why was it great what Democrats did in 2017 yet wrong for Republicans in 2021?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Congressmen Gaetz and Jim Jordan pointed to that hypocrisy that did not cause Nancy Pelosi to whip up calls for impeaching any Democrat.

    When Alabama was protested in the electoral Count of 2017, nobody screamed that either Obama or Clinton committed sedition.

    So I would love to hear the excuse why it was okay for Democrats but wrong for Republicans to do the same things?

     
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    Capt Nice Well-Known Member

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    Do you have some legible source that explains what you're trying to say?
     
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    Because no one in the Senate supported it, making it a moot point that never even came to a vote.

    This effort is far, far different.
     
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    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    So, you are pro violence when it favors the left, but normal speech (be strong, fight for your rights) is impeachable when a Republican makes a plea for a peaceful protest you disagree with. Got you.
     
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    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's a double standard. The left gets a free pass Every time they do something but if Trump does the same thing it's "different" and wrong.

    Sure these were 2 different things but you get the point we are trying to make.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, the whataboutism always favors Democrats. They can kill and get away. We see some dude in a costume and they blame us and not Antifa.
     
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    How about this from 2017?

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    Fires, bricks mark daylong assault on inaugural festivities
    By JESSICA GRESKO, MICHAEL BIESECKER and JACK GILLUMJanuary 21, 2017

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Protesters set fires and hurled bricks in a daylong assault on the city hosting Donald Trump’s inauguration, registering their rage against the new president in a series of clashes that led to more than 200 arrests. Police used pepper spray and stun grenades to prevent the chaos from spilling into Trump’s formal procession and evening balls.

    Several spirited demonstrations unfolded peacefully at various security checkpoints near the Capitol as police helped ticket-holders get through to the inaugural ceremony. Signs read, “Resist Trump Climate Justice Now,” ″Let Freedom Ring” and “Free Palestine.”

    But about a mile from the National Mall, police gave chase to a group of about 100 protesters who smashed the windows of downtown businesses including a Starbucks, a Bank of America and a McDonald’s as they denounced capitalism and Trump. Police in riot gear used pepper spray from large canisters to help contain the violence, which erupted periodically throughout the day.

    “They began to destroy property, throw objects at people, through windows. A large percentage of this small group was armed with crowbars and hammers,” said the city’s interim police chief, Peter Newsham.

    Six officers suffered minor injuries, he said.

    The confrontation began an hour before Trump took the oath of office and escalated several hours later as the crowd of protesters swelled to more than 1,000, some wearing gas masks and with arms chained together inside PVC pipe. One said the demonstrators were “bringing in the cavalry.”

    When some crossed police lines, taunting, “Put the pigs in the ground,” police charged with batons and pepper spray, as well as stun grenades, which are used to shock and disperse crowds. Loud booms echoed through the streets about six blocks from where Trump would soon hold his inaugural parade.

    Some protesters picked up bricks and concrete from the sidewalk and hurled them at police lines. Some rolled large, metal trash cans at police.

    Later, they set fire to a limousine on the perimeter of the secured zone, sending black smoke billowing into the sky during Trump’s procession.......
    https://apnews.com/article/8a5946c2...1zByxoxGjbkNVI_iZbr4HYQTUmu4Vxa-qcj6ipfoo381g

    And it goes on the note how Republican elected officials were physically confronted. Over 200 arrested. In San Fransciso rioters blocked the Golden Gate Bridge and block traffic in the Financial district. In Portland rioters burned American flags, blocking the state capital. In Nashville protesters chained themselves to the capital doors.
    https://apnews.com/article/8a5946c2...1zByxoxGjbkNVI_iZbr4HYQTUmu4Vxa-qcj6ipfoo381g

    Where was the outrage on the left for those trying to destroy our Republic?
     
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  8. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We remember don't we? We recall the vicious hate that met Trump on his day to be sworn in. Democrats want us to believe we rioted on the 6th. We showed up but the people who rioted were not there to MAGA.
     
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    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    GMAFB! Gaetz is just another MAGA mouthpiece and QAnon clown that has been debunked before
    Gaetz uses convention speech to criticize Biden for lack of activity | TheHill
    How Matt Gaetz spread a falsehood about antifa infiltrating the mob that attacked Congress (tampabay.com)
    Fact-checking the House impeachment debate | PolitiFact (tampabay.com)

    Gaetz is all headline, but little content. Like a broken clock, he's right about twice in any tally of his accusations one can put together. The OP here wasn't one of them.

    Harris promises that people are physically going to be in the face of MAGA machinations via protests and rallys and legislations...I have yet to hear her advocate violence, condone violence or not straight out condemn it immediately....unlike Dump and his sycophants (i.e., Gaetz). If the author of this OP has evidence of this, present it. Otherwise, spare us all this die hard parroting of Dump/Q-Anon fantasies.
     
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    Its rather simple. Nobody screamed Obama or Clinton committed sedition because they did nothing even remotely resembling such a crime.

    So the difference is that trump did a lot that resembles sedition and insurrection and the result of committing those crimes the heart of democracy and seat of American government was DESECRATED by Trumpian hatriots and five people including a police officer defending the CAPItol were killed. All fueled by the absolute bullshit of a stolen election and the perceived direction of your Dear Leader.

    That isn't an excuse. That is a REASON. I presume you know the difference.
     
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    Make? No. I get the point you guys are trying to fake.

    No one is giving the left a "free pass" on the aforementioned ****. You are projecting your hypocrisy onto others. Try being consistent for a moment. Condemn both or defend both. I know where I stand, even if you (as you have already admitted) are completely incapable of acknowledging the obvious differences. Let's face it, that trend will continue.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the false equivalency filter is baked into the trumpian mind. Its a way of thinking, not a tactic or knee jerk, its a fundamental aspect of their grievance politics.
     
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    Given how mass murderously evil and treasonous the authoritarian left has become, should it surprise us that they don't see hypocrisy as a big deal?
     
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    Is hypocrisy a bigger deal than lowlife fascist white supremacists and gullible die hard MAGA scared white folk desecrating the very heart of the nation and beacon of democracy around the globe in the name of a BIG LIE, patriotism and upholding the constitution.

    Go ahead, let's make hypocrisy a big deal. I'm all for it.
     
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    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    Really, if you do not oppose the Pol Pot left, I don't think you can say you are against hypocrisy.
    I, ITMT, oppose lowlife fascist white supremacists, as given power, they would murder me first. I doubt you would write the same of BLM and ANTIFA.
     
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    Simple:
    When Democrats, or the people they like, do (x), it is noble justified; when Republicans do (x) its shameful and degrading..
    Far too many examples of this to think otherwise.
     
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    Decisions decisions. Pol Pot Left or Nazi Right. toughie for a nanosecond but when body count and motivation are compared...

    I am delighted you oppose lowlife fascist white supremacists and only a paranoid truly ignorant white man would suggest for a moment that a BLM protester is driven by hatred and violent bigotry and not the reaction to it. As to the anti fascists, well, since they've been in power since the late 30's (Bundist scum excluded) I doubt they'd be murdering anyone en masse. Something about law and order and ciminal justice being cornerstones of democracy, but hey, its only a minor difference.
     
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    Same for Trump.
    What's your point?
     
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    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    So, a high body count (100 million Chinese murdered by Mao for example) that is OK compared to 6 million Jews as, Mao had very lofty goals.
    As for BLM? You have to have blinders on to not see all the hate, entitlement and even a sense of black racial supremacy coming from this movement. At best, I write of them, many, even most of them have some fine ideals, if misdirected in life. But it's founders? The movers of the movement? They are hardly innocent and morally are up there with Pol Pot, who murdered about 1 in 3 of his own citizens. I guess you're cool with that too as he had lofty goals.
     
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    The issue is Republican members of CONGRESS are being alleged to have and demanded to be charged when the Democrats in Congress did the same thing in 2017 and during Clinton and no one said they were committing sedition. And no Trump did not engage in sedition and the Gore supporters and Hillary supporters and they them selves still think they really won as does Stacy Abrhams.
     
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    Because they weren't committing sedition. What makes it sedition is that AFTER the MAGA Riot descrated congress they still voted against the election predicated entirely on Trump's Big Lie of a stolen election. IOW supporting the attack in the first place. Hang Mike Pense.

    But of course I get your consistent argument - you make it virtually every time you post. Because you feel dems did exactly the same thing, then its okay that trump did it, or at least it isn't so bad and he and everyone else should be let off the hook. Ain't gonna happen man.

    MAGA owns this crap. In their massive grievances they got into bed with fascist white supremacist scum and now they are upset that they got smeared by those lowlife hatriots.
     
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    because it's ok to dispute it, it's not ok to try to steal the election like Trump did

    Hillary conceded, she did not run around declaring herself the winner, sure she was upset about them reopening the case a week before the election and things like that, but she never tried to steal the election like Trump did

    can you imagine if Hillary demanded Biden declare her the winner when doing what Pence did - Trump is a pathetic loser
     
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    +1

    You are getting it: Democrats are hypocritical.
     
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    If she tells her followers to be in their face it would never ever ever be interpreted as condoning violence by the loyal left. They are mostly peaceful individuals. We all know it was Putin lit them fires.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We can examine some of their hypocrisies.
    1. They never apologized for slavery.
    2. They never apologized for Jim Crow laws.
    3. They have lied in explaining what they did for blacks.
     
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