Fauci Now Says COVID-19 Vaccine May Become Mandatory

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  1. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

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    A new article from Mercola.com today. I thought it was quite interesting, though others might think so as well. What I found most interesting was the evidence suggesting that harm from the vaccine was far greater than one's risk from dying from Covid 19. What I'd -really- like to know is the risk of being significantly harmed from Covid 19 vs. being significantly harmed from the vaccine itself, but that would ofcourse be complicated by the fact that the vaccine may well make Covid 19 worse, as detailed in this post. Constructive feedback welcome.

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    STORY AT-A-GLANCE
    • According to Dr. Anthony Fauci, some institutions will undoubtedly require employees to be vaccinated, adding that it’s “quite possible” the vaccine will be required for overseas travel
    • The COVID-19 vaccine is still in the experimental stage as they have not completed Stage 3 clinical trials yet. The mRNA technology used in these vaccines is also experimental, and the sheer speed at which the vaccines have been developed and tested precludes us from knowing much about their side effects, especially in the long term
    • As of December 18, 2020, the adverse event rate in the U.S. was 2.79%. This means your risk of harm from the vaccine is far greater than your risk of dying from COVID-19, which has an overall noninstitutionalized infection fatality rate of just 0.26%
    • If an experimental vaccine were to be mandated, it would set a frightening precedent and pave the way for all sorts of nonconsensual medical experimentation on the general public, going forward
    • The COVID-19 vaccines are not being evaluated for their ability to actually prevent infection and transmission of the virus. And, if the vaccine cannot reduce infection, hospitalizations or deaths, then it cannot create the vaccine-acquired herd immunity required to end the pandemic

    Will the COVID-19 vaccine become mandatory? That’s a question many are asking these days and, by the looks of it, the answer may well be yes — although as I’ll explain later, I suspect the harms of the vaccine will become so apparent that it’ll kill such efforts before they become widespread.

    In a January 1, 2021, Newsweek interview,1 Dr. Anthony Fauci said he was “sure” some institutions and businesses will require employees to be vaccinated, and that it’s “quite possible” the vaccine will be required for overseas travel.

    When asked about the possibility of mandating the vaccine on a local level, such as for children attending school, he stated that “Everything will be on the table for discussion.” That said, he pointed out that since “we almost never mandate things federally” — with regard to health — he doesn’t believe a national vaccine mandate will be enacted.

    In related news2 December 21, 2020, presidential candidate Joe Biden rolled up his sleeve to get publicly inoculated against COVID-19, stating that the vaccine was “nothing to worry about.” He’s also gone on record saying he will push for a 100-day mask mandate in federal buildings if he wins the presidency.3

    Can Experimental Vaccines Be Mandated?
    While many vaccines are required by state or local law, the thing that sets the COVID-19 vaccine apart from all others is the fact that it is still an experimental vaccine. While Moderna and Pfizer have been granted emergency use authorization for their respective vaccine candidates, they still haven’t even completed Stage 3 clinical trials yet.

    The mRNA technology used in these vaccines is also experimental, and the sheer speed at which the vaccines have been developed and tested precludes us from knowing much about their side effects, especially in the long term.

    As of December 18, 2020, the adverse event rate in the U.S. was 2.79%.4 This means your risk of harm from the vaccine is far greater than your risk of dying from COVID-19, which has an overall noninstitutionalized infection fatality rate of just 0.26%.5 Among those under the age of 40, the infection fatality rate is a mere 0.01%.6

    If an experimental vaccine were to be mandated, it would set a frightening precedent and pave the way for all sorts of nonconsensual medical experimentation on the general public, going forward.

    In a December 29, 2020, article7 in JAMA, the authors discuss the legal possibility of mandating COVID-19 vaccines, stating that “SARS-CoV-2 vaccines hold promise to control the pandemic and help restore normal social and economic life.”

    However, this is questionable, considering the fact that the effectiveness of the vaccines is only measured by their ability to lessen moderate to severe COVID-19 symptoms such as cough and headache. Presumably, this would lower the risk of hospitalization and death for vaccinated individuals.

    However, as explained in “How COVID-19 Vaccine Trials Are Rigged,” the vaccines were not evaluated for their ability to actually prevent infection and transmission of the virus. And, if the vaccine cannot reduce infection, hospitalizations or deaths, then it cannot create the vaccine-acquired herd immunity required to end the pandemic.

    What’s more, in a November 26, 2020, BMJ article,8 Peter Doshi, associate editor of The BMJ, points out that while Pfizer claims its vaccine is 95% effective, this is the relative risk reduction. The absolute risk reduction is actually less than 1%. He also stresses that severe side effects appear commonplace:

    “Moderna’s press release states that 9% experienced grade 3 myalgia and 10% grade 3 fatigue; Pfizer’s statement reported 3.8% experienced grade 3 fatigue and 2% grade 3 headache. Grade 3 adverse events are considered severe, defined as preventing daily activity. Mild and moderate severity reactions are bound to be far more common.”

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    Full article here:
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...19/covid-19-vaccine-may-become-mandatory.aspx
     
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    sec Well-Known Member

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    Liberty dies more each time Democrats vote
     
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    I wouldn't put it that way. If I were American, I would have voted for Biden, though I wanted Bernie. I absolutely hated Trump. However, I can't deny the fact that the right has been far more skeptical of the mainstream media's narration of Covid 19 than the left.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm just glad I live in Texas. Vaccines are "Always voluntary, never forced."

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    If the particular groups (especially those who benefit from it) promote it often enough as going to be mandatory, people will believe it and take it as the norm. What better way to make the masses 'compliant', after all, it's for your own good. *sarcasm included*

    Bodily autonomy applies, in more than one way.
     
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    And liberty dies to thunderous applause. Many Americans are proud to have their lives controlled by an unelected career bureaucrat advancing an agenda.
     
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    Then clearly you do not understand what a vote for the Democrat party does to your individual liberty. Do not listen to their words of "fair share" and a "hand up"

    those sound nice and only mean spirited folks don't want to "help"; right? Then the media parrots the same phrases

    the role of govt is not to try and pick winners and losers. No govt can raise the quality of life of all people. All they can do is lower others down so folks are then equal

    Capitalism is key and the Democrat party despises capitalism
     
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    sadly, as folks look to escape statist politicians, they flee to FL and Texas and bring their Democrat votes with them; the same Democrat votes that created the mess from which they seek shelter. It makes no sense
     
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    Why in HELL are we making people take these when they're in short supply?

    I'm over 70 with 3 co-morbidities and they still won't give me one. If you don't want yours I'll take it.
     
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    ... or siphon votes... or fabricate votes out of thin air...
     
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    1 pound of Ghirardelli chocolate in a plain brown paper bag, and my dose is yours. :)
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Survival is one thing, but it's not Ghiardelli

    I think we ought to let anyone opt out. However, they also have to sign a paper saying they won't ask for IC treatment either
     
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    Unfortunately for me, I live in WI and had my Republican Governor stolen away from me in the fraudulent 2018 "elections"... A couple of the conservative justices on the State Supreme Court were stolen away from me as well. Sure, we have a solidly Republican controlled legislature, but they have yet to stand up against any of King Evers' royal decrees (especially the covid related ones), and they let the election fraud and election law breaking slide as if it were nothing...
     
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    You can not demonstrate this to be true
     
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    What, Ghirardelli isn't good enough, or is the vaccine not work a pound of it?

    So what about those who have medical issues that prevent them from taking the vaccine? By your standards, denying healthcare is forgivable, but only if they haven't bowed to the government for something that has a higher chance of harming them then the condition it is supposed to prevent?
     
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    I was offered one today. I told them to give it to someone at risk from Covid. Hope it helps someone like you.
     
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    It has already been demonstrated as true.
     
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    Also in Italy we are reasoning about this.
    There are several ways to "persuade" citizens to vaccinate themselves, without making the vaccine mandatory.
    Private right can help: what if air companies will accept on board of their planes only vaccinated persons?
    What if the same will happen with trains, liners, city buses, subways, museums, shops, supermarkets ...

    Not only this. What if clubs, bars, pubs, restaurants ... will be required to ask for a certification of vaccination to allow a customer to enter?

    But we are still reasoning.
     
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    @Collateral Damage

    YOU live without chocolate during
    a chocolate attack!

    I even have a chocolate fix for True Atkins. ketogenic diet week II


    Stranger Than Truth but, Is

    Recently I had no desire for chocolate for over 6 month.
    Then, it suddenly came back hard.
    Coffee consumption was unaffected by the above time.


    Be careful when you invoke chocolate + or - .
    :flagcanada: a safer bet.
    :flagcanada: Cadbury is not true chocolate because of very low cocoa / chocolate content



    Moi :oldman:
    Lord :pray: Bless Hershey the Henry Ford of chocolate
    who brought chocolate to "the people".




    No :flagcanada:
    fake chocolate! :rant:
     
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    you are fully aware it hasn't, which is why you couldn't demonstrate it when I pointed that out.
     
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    I will never take any vaccine if they make it mandatory. I bend my knee to no one.
     
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    I think on Covid we probably agree, but regarding the left wing, I doubt that's possible. For me, Biden wasn't nearly left enough. I wanted Bernie.
     
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    I really wish there was some way to actually do this. As it is I think we may end up coercing some people not at risk while others die
     
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    And you would have lost, big time. The FIRST thing you have to do in politics is win. If you lose you're just some guy at the end of the bar muttering into his beer and it doesn't matter how good your ideas are.
     
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    I agree. I’m sure mine just went to the next person in line. I guess that’s better than nothing, but if it goes to a 25 year old volunteer fireman that had asymptomatic Covid 2 months ago it’s kind of wasted in my opinion.
     

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