Please tell me exactly what "Systemic Racism" is! I'm very serious....

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  1. joesnagg

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    Here's pretty much all you can expect from this gentleman... maypole-dancing.jpg
     
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    seems the caring factor is as much as by those who nuked them
     
  3. Pollycy

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    I see your point -- but surely people being upset with "angry ghosts" is a poor excuse for rioting in the streets, setting fires, smashing other people's private property, and stealing everything they can get their hands on.

    Oh, and now they want "reparations" for all these "Systemic Racist" events that ended many decades ago in this country. Not an unworkable ploy, and maybe we of Northern European descent could use the same argument to shake down the Italian Government because the Roman Empire took our ancestors as slaves, back in the day.... Idiocy piled on top of idiocy....
     
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    Racism is not limited to color. It's false pattern recognition. The Hutu were not different color than the Tutsi. Still a genocide though...

    And yet, the post modernists of today would have us believe that individual people form groups to influence power dynamics and that individuals within those groups can be treated as if they are the group. They have taken the racist model, and embraced it. It is not a refutation of the false pattern recognition that leads to racist behavior. You are black, therefore you have experienced racism. You are white, therefore you have privilege. The concept of systemic racism stems from these false conclusions.
     
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    In short I'm arguing that the argument in favor of the existence of systemic racism is an example of systemic racism. Their world view is structured on a system of racism, and therefore they see it in the structures they think they don't control.

    I think it's interesting that some here are trying to argue that the problem is caused by a certain race, and that by some calculated redistribution of racial power the problem can be resolved.

    If only a black man were president, things would even out.
     
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    If one of the considerations for the selection of a cabinet position in the executive branch of our government is skin color, ethnicity, sex, gender, eye color, age or disability then we have institutional racism.

    https://www.americamagazine.org/pol.../president-joe-biden-cabinet-catholics-239767
     
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    Haven't heard any mention of the Hutu's and Tutsi's for a long time. There have been substantial number of that kind of atrocities in Africa, black on black. Even here- black people should fear black people more than white. I think Jesse Jackson once said that he was relieved when he heard footsteps behind him on a dark night and found they were white. Over the centuries, the greatest evils have tended to be over religions than races, but as I recall the Hutu/Tutsi thing was between farm people and ranch people. Seems hate can use most any excuse.
     
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    Did you look at Kamala Harris' skin color and gender and conclude that she is a member of your group; a member that experienced your experiences, holds the same values and conclusions as a result of those experiences, and will promote the success of your group over others as a result?

    Then that's advocacy for systemic racism.
     
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    And what am I to expect from you? More of this?
     
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    Very good post showing why there is no such thing as systemic racism. Systemic racism is defined so broadly as to be meaningless. Its literally like asking the question "What is the meaning of life" and then coming up with the answer "42". Its nonsensical.

    All that "systemic racism" is used for is to perpetuate Identitarianism. Its just a form of control.
     
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    They are rioting against the perception of an unequal application of the law, and by proxy an unequal distribution of resources.

    There is much room for debate regarding cause of (and course of action to correct) that perception.
     
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    Well the people who tout systemic racism thinks they do
    The Systemic Racism folks think working hard, being on time and thinking logically is acting White which is a terrible thing for a black man to do.
     
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    Again, the problem is human ability to find patterns where no patterns exist. We very easily form specious arguments based on specious statistics by making emotional connections to data. There's too few black people in positions of power, and too many black people in prison. Must be racism. What's the correct objective distribution that would eliminate the possibility of racism? Fewer. The argument isn't an objective one. It's just a gut feeling. Of course policy based on feels usually turns out in a major disaster, but why would that stop anyone?
     
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    it's a system of telling other people they are racist so they will stop saying anything you disagree with
     
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    What you're missing is the fact that those laws made racist behavior illegal, BUT IT DIDN'T CHANGE ANYONE'S MIND. People who were racist before the laws were enacted were STILL racist after they were enacted, and they continued in their racist behavior whenever possible.
     
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    How do you know what an individual's inner motives are? Can you just look at them and tell?
     
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    Ironically we didn't have the term when there was actual legal discrimination. It's only when all legal barriers are lifted that we need that term.

    Weird.

    There may be an example of current systemic racism, but I can't think of one.
     
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    But I gave one. If race is an important consideration for a job position in an administration, then systemic racism exists.
     
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    OK, it's hard to argue that hiring because of race would fit the bill...
     
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    Well, brother, then as we have seen, the new Biden admn. is very suspect of participating in "institutional racism" -- and more!

    Biden makes a big hooptie deal out of the FIRST BLACK vice-president, the FIRST BLACK Sec. of Defense, the FIRST BLACK Sec. of HUD, and a sprinkling of other 'minorities', including a 'transgender' person, to round the Biden Cabinet out.... Clearly, ol' Joe is making good on his promise to be 'diverse' and 'progressive', but as you suggest, is that in itself an improper criterion? Isn't that kind of thinking at the very CORE of the idea of something as inherently RACIST as "Affirmative Action", a.k.a., reverse-discrimination.

    The best person for a cabinet position -- or ANY JOB OPENING -- may, indeed be a Black person... but shouldn't the guiding criterion be excellence, and not 'diversity' for 'diversity's sake'...?
     
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    Nope
    Nope
     
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    No it's not. In fact it's exactly what they argue.

    Would anyone argue to be hired because they are white?
     
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    Then you can't go around saying that nothing changed.
     
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    Oh boy, this is rich. Do you really believe the people who were told to be offended by all these statues knew who they were? With today's educational system I'm betting that not only they don't, but that the people the statues depict will be erased from history which would make it impossible for anyone of today's generation to know who they were.

    Now on your point about Biden's mother, imagine you're a gay woman and every day you go to a building, a school, a park, a street and they're named after a woman abusing man who hated gays. How do you think these people felt last Monday when there was a holiday named after him?

    If They managed to get over it, the people offended by statues of people they don't know can get over it. Heck, Seattle has a statue of Lenin, hipsters walk around with Che shirts and Castro is still revered by the left.
     
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    Says the guy who voted for a guy who didn't want his grandkids growing up in a racial jungle. For 47 years Biden was part of the system, that makes his racism systemic.
     

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