A logical and empirical look at Election Fraud in 2020

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  1. An Old Guy

    An Old Guy Well-Known Member

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    Actually it's not fake news, Trump and allies lost 64 out of 65 cases. As for judges "not getting involved" they sure as hell wrote a lot of decisions, mostly castigating Trump's clowns for wasting everyone's time. These clowns couldn't even get the paperwork done properly and even used a fake plaintiff. Damn, you'd think Trump & his cronies would have had much better lawyers than the buffoons they used, I'm still LMAO.....I do agree though, most courts do not want anything to do with buffoons and the buffoonery they spout.
     
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    It's fake news. Mostly the Courts just explained why they weren't getting involved.

    It's up to the political branches to straighten out our voting systems. No level of fraud is acceptable, only Lefties argue that a certain level of fraud is just dandy.
    A noble endeavor I'm sure, allow me to assist.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Again, losing 64 out of 65 is not fake news. Just because you say it's fake doesn't make it fake although that is pretty much the playbook in Trumpistan. Lose an election and then make baseless claims about fraud, stolen election etc. Trump is a lying sack of crap and his disciples worship him....just like watching a cult having a meltdown :lol:
     
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    Fake News. For the most part the Courts simply refused to get involved, leaving the controversy to the elected branches.
    Fake News. No such place. Trump's in the past, we need to secure our electoral systems as quickly as possible. No level of fraud is acceptable, everyone but Democrats agree.
    More fake news, Dems lost far more elections in 2020 than the largely victorious GOP did.
    Appears to live rent free in your head.
    Let's not get overly demonstrative in displays of emotions, trustworthy elections are necessary, desirable (except to Democrats) and achievable.
    1. Every Legal Voter Able To Vote, Once
    2. Ballots secured with bank deposit levels of security and chain of custody.
    3. Counting secured, observed and recorded with security measures on the levels of casino blackjack tables.
    4. Counting is continuous until final.
    [​IMG]
     
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    LMAO.....
     
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    Well you certainly know how to straddle a fence.. But I loved your entertaining post nonetheless!!
     
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    Trump, Cruz, Giuliani, Hawley, and others ALL claimed they had evidence of fraud and that Biden stole the election.

    They rallied insurrectionists around that in a crystal clear attempt to overthrow our democracy.

    THAT is the issue.

    THAT is the ONLY issue. NO other issue comes even CLOSE to the importance of defending our democracy against insurgencies foreign or domestic.

    Let's remember that:
    - these Trump inspired insurgents pointed out that they were INSIDE OUR CAPITOL at Trump's direction.
    - they carried lethal weapons
    - the killed people.
    - they STATED REPEATEDLY that they were there to kill Pelosi, Pence, AOC and others whom they may choose.

    AND, MOST OFALL:

    The vast majority of the Republican Party leadership DEFENDS THESE ACTIONS.

    This was NOT a one time event. This is an action that Republicans don't even see as worthy of prosecution.

    They see it as ACCEPTABLE!!!
     
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    Do Republicans believe in democracy???

    After the losses in Georgia, Georgia's Republican leadership has reacted by designing methods of excluding LEGAL voters that they do not want to vote.

    This is just one more assault on our democracy.

    It's time to recognize that Republicans DO NOT ACCEPT our form of government.
     
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    And when did Trump direct anyone to riot or attack anyone? The answer is he didn't and there is no proof to the contrary.
     
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    He rallied his party (the Republican party IS his party, and still is) to the believe that they were cheated and he did so for MONTHS. He repeatedly used terms related to taking back the election, to defeatign democracy. And, he did so in strident terms that clearly inflamed the crowds that he addressed.

    At the rally before the insurgency, he spoke to the crowd stating that they were to go to the Capitol and take strong action. He had Giuliani there and he called for war.

    AND, I don't care WHAT happens to Trump. You may see him as your leader. But, he is CLEARLY a traitor and deserves being tried as a traitor - not just for inciting the insurrection, but for his assault on our democracy through other means - such as attempting to overthrow the vote of the people in several different states using clearly illegal methods.

    But, the farm more important point is that the Republican party leadership sees this insurgency as well as the other assaults on our form of government as perfectly legitimate responses.

    The Republican party as declared itself to be OPPOSED to our form of government.

    And, Republicans are taking ZERO steps in ANY other direction.

    The only real question at this point is what form of government Republicans want to install - and whether America has the GUTS to defend our republic.
     
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    So you have no proof that he called on anyone to attack anyone else. Just like what the rioters thought they heard you're making stuff up in your mind that was never said. Your delusions are not reality.
     
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    Another unresponsive reply.

    The "Trump lawsuits" did in fact allege election fraud contrary to assertions that they did not.

    Focus: Have Wood, et al Powell been hit with any Rule 11 sanctions?
    Is that a tough question for you? ;-)
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    There is always a tiny, MEANINGLESS, amount of fraud in elections....
    Wow, you made a point by mentioning the OBVIOUS, "everybody knows that", elephant in the room !!!"""

    And for some reason, that got your knickers in a twist.
     
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    I made my position very clear.

    I want to defend America. I really don't give a crap about Trump.

    All you want to do is defend Trump.

    And, that PROVES you are on the side of those who have no interest in our form of government.

    You are the enemy within.
     
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    Courts have been incredibly amenable to Trump's claims.

    It's true that most have been laughed out of court. But, the courts have show no indication of being ready to levee well deserved sanctions.

    And, that goes at the state level, too. State court moved to release the criminal in Pelosi's office on his own recognizance - even after he destroyed evidence, bragged about removing documents from Pelosi's secure office, killed his phone tracking, and bragged to police that they would find nothing when they searched his home - multiple clear efforts to evade. And, what police found was the evidence tying him to the weapon he carried in Pelosi's office. The federal judge that justice appealed to noted that he was undoubtedly guilty of crimes which included those with 10 year plus sentences, showed zero remorse, and demonstrated an record of evasion - so he's sitting in the slammer.

    The POINT is that the state had Republican leadership and thus didn't care about the lethal assault on America's democracy, OR the clearly PLANNED assault on Pelosi.

    Today. the problem remains: Republicans are opposed to our form of government and are ready to accept violent overthrow of our democracy as no big deal.
     
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    Every election has a few irregularities, this is true and agreed on. Unless they are in sufficient number to swing the election, they don't matter. When they do matter, action is taken as we have seen lately.
     
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    There are ways around Rule 11 sanctions that have to do with the technical detail of what is claimed.

    In the case of Giuliani, he clearly claimed that he absolutely did have evidence of fraud. He made those claims before and after court was in session. While court was in session, he did not use those words.

    But, Republicans outside the court were given to believe that Giuliani being laughed out of court was no more than evidence of the criminal conspiracy against Trump. Because, who do you think Republican insurgents believed - Giuliani or the federal bench?
     
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    Exactly.

    There IS a process.

    That process isn't to inspire armed insurgents to overthrow our form of government.
     
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    None of the Trump lawsuits have alleged fraud.
     
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    Nope, not yet. It's close though, lol. The judges were pretty scathing in their written decisions though. It would appear they didn't want to make an already politically charged environment even worse. I think the closest anyone came to mentioning fraud in a courtroom was Rudy G himself in PA. The judge stopped him and said are you claiming fraud in this election? Rudy backed down and said no. Lin Wood will likely be disbarred in GA, the GA Bar Association has mandated a psychiatric examination for Wood and he's refused - we'll see where this goes. Michigan is going after Sidney Powell. Dominion is suing both Powell and Guiliani and it is likely the Lincoln Project will sue Guiliani as well after his epic nonsense yesterday with Steve Bannon. When Bannon comes off as the "reasonable one" you know Uncle Rudy is crazy, even though Bannon tried to reel Guiliani back to reality. And there is no question where the legal community stands on the outlandish performances of the Trump "elite strike force" and others......but then again, what can you expect from a group of lawyers who win 1 out of 65 :lol:.
     
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    4 yrs ago, trump thought fraud cost him the popular vote.
    He put a commission together to get to the bottom of said fraud. The commission disbanded with no information.

    There is some fraud in every election. It's a human derived system and every system is subject to being frauded.
    But, it's so small it is basically a non issue. But something to keep abreast of.

    Each state runs their own elections. Each state has people of both parties on the committees, polling places and counting of ballots.
    Every vote is verified. If the results are close, there are recounts.
    Most of the time, the recounts change in overall count is less than 0.0001% of the original.

    And fraud isn't only done by 1 party. So typically the frauds cancel themselves out.
     
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    Show us, you're making the claims.
    The information is public. Show the fraud allegations made.
     
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    Then he's delusional and should be barred from running for public office.
    Since neither he nor his legal team could mount any case.
     
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    Really?
    And you prove that with NOT a SINGLE Link.
     

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