Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. gfm7175

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    ... yet Church of No God members are allowed to teach their "drivel" to the young and make laws around "that nonsense"??
     
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    Evidence?
     
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    Tribal memories passed down thru the ages account for "great flood" myths. The Aborigines have an oral history dating back over 10,000 years. Can that cataclysm be a "cultural" memory manifest in the stories around the campfire? You betcha.
     
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    Correct. It is unknown whether or not the universe has a beginning. Maybe it has always existed (as a Christian such as myself would claim that God has always existed)?
     
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    of what?
     
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    Correct I make no claims about something no one knows, neither does science, you do, why?
     
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    Of your claim.
     
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    If I ever make a claim with regard to a religious belief, I am clear about it being a religious belief rather than acting as if it were somehow "science" or "what we know".
     
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    What claim?
     
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    Why make any claims about something you do not know?
     
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    ... because it's what I believe to be true.
     
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    Why? You admit you do not know but you claim it is true, how odd.
     
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    So you think that water could actually rise to cover the mountains on earth. Try it. The subject was Noahs flood. To cover these the land mass would have to be levelled. It hasn't been so for time immemorial, if ever.
     
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    The laws of physics define a very serious order that nothing in our universe may ignore.

    Let's be a little careful about what we suggest is accidental.

    What we have today can be traced back to the big bang. How our sun works, how our planet works, how our atmosphere works, how energy works, etc., etc. are well established by the laws of physics that are the building blocks of this universe.

    If you want to claim that the first millisecond of the big bang was created by some god, it would be hard to argue with that, as exploring that question is currently outside our technology for observation. And, unlike religion, science doesn't make claims that have no founding in evidence.

    After that initial millisecond, there are explanations, and the "chaos" that physics allows to exist was IMPORTANT in the processes that led to life on Earth.
     
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    The LDS church holds some pretty "interesting" ideas, too.

    And, creating a religion out of science fiction? Did L Ron Hubbard perform a miracle in doing that?
     
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    History is littered with some of the weirdest religious/spiritual bullshit human imagination can crap out.
    L.Ron - so far out as to be in another universe.

    I wouldn't call some of LDS ideas "interesting", but now that you mention it, it was started by a total con man who couldn't keep his hands of the women.

    Develop the con, Attract the marks, Define the rules, Indoctrinate the generations, bob's yer uncle - newly minted religion. MAGA in its secular form?
     
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    Would you cite those reasons?

    Actually...no not really because I know it will be a futile attempt because it just can't be done, that's just a fact of life.

    First of all, I'm not one interested in myths and so I just wouldn't bother. These mythical characters have no meaning/influence on my life although I did like the tooth fairy...lol

    I remember when I was just a young little boy my mother would tell me to put my tooth that I lost under my pillow and when I wake up in the morning the tooth fairy was going to take the tooth away and leave me some money in exchange...I thought that was cool...ahahaha!...ahahaha! But when I grew older I found out that the tooth fairy was my very own mother...how sweet of her!...ahahaha!...ahahaha!
     
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    As usual, your comments show that you don't read the fairy tale. NO ONE goes to heaven. The only person who ever went to heaven was the Jesus character.

    According to the fairy tale, when we die we go to one of three places: death; the sea; or to hell. All three places are temporary and everyone makes bail on Judgment Day when each person is judged for his/her works. So, even if a person was in hell he might still get into the golden cube called New Jerusalem provided he can pass through one of the twelve gates dedicated to the twelve tribes of Israel. It doesn't say that Gentiles will make it. Unlike Islam, there is no provision for children getting into afterlife because they don't have any works and they also never accepted the Jesus character. You also won't be spending time with your spouse because there are no marriages in the golden cube. Everyone is neutered.

    You get a better deal if you are a Mormon or a muslim. But be sure to stay out of the Islamic hell.
     
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    Yes, you got it right.

    Well if you insist it's not hatred then we're left with ignorance and denial.

    What are these fallacies you speak of? You have the floor.
     
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    What?...everyone makes bail? Well just make sure you bring lots of cash at your Judgment Day trial...you one funny character Gawd!
     
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    Are you familiar with this passage?

    Revelation 20:12-15 = https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation20:12-15&version=ERV;CEB;CEV;TLB;NKJV

    Does your version of what will happen to your soul differ from what that passage says? If so, as a self-professed Christian, where did you get your belief from, the movies or from under a rock?
     
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    As usual, your comments show that you have misinterpreted Scripture, but of course I'm not at all surprised by that, it's just you being your typical self...lol
    I've been saying this for years and I'll repeat it again, the Holy Bible is not for the interpretation impaired.

    Well you got 1 out of 3 correct. The correct answer is what I posted yesterday. Death is not a place to go...death is death. Our bodies die, but our spirit/soul immediately goes to one of two places. For the Christian, their soul/spirit goes to heaven, for the unbeliever their soul/spirit goes to hell. Go back and read my post again, it's all there, very precise and detailed and with references to passages in Scripture to back up what I said in my post to you that answered the question you posed to me.

    The sea?...we don't go to the sea. Scripture is referring to all the people who died at sea, whose remains are buried at sea.

    Everyone makes "bail" something you've come up with because of your misinterpretation of Scripture.

    Christians generally believe babies/children go to heaven when they die because essentially they are still innocent, they are not of culpable/accountable age. There are passages in Scripture that supports this.

    I'm a Christian, a believer, who trusts and has faith in our Lord Savior Jesus Christ so those other religions have no influence on me...nuff said.
     
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    Well of course I am, you should have known that I'm aware of that passage, but obviously it appears you did not read my previous post thoroughly to see that I referenced that passage among a few others to back up what I had posted. Below is what I posted in regards to the references, see the highlighted one, but I have it starting at verse 11, whereas you are starting from verse 12.

    It's rather obvious now that all these references I gave you, you didn't even to bother to read them, for if you had, you would have seen that what I said is backed up by all these passages in Scripture.

    So your homework for tonight is to read them all and hopefully you won't misinterpret what you're reading. Oh and let me add John 3:16 & John 3:18 to the list that you need to read.

    What I've said is all backed up by the references I gave you, now again your homework for tonight is to read them all thoroughly and please don't misinterpret what you read, because I've seen in the past, numerous of times you've had trouble understanding/interpreting Scripture correctly.
     
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