Psaki: Even After Vaccine, You Still Need to Social Distance and Wear Masks

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  1. VanCleef

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    He thinks his opinions are science, and that CDC and all experts are wrong on wearing a mask after being vaccinated at the time being.
     
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    Documentation for this claim? And please, not a CNN, Politico, or Yahoo News "source".
     
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    sure

    "Vaccine Reserves the White House Released This Week Don’t Exist"

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/01/vaccine-reserves-white-house-released-dont-exist-report.html

    "On Tuesday, the Trump administration announced that it was going to release the supply of COVID-19 vaccine doses it was holding in reserve to be used as second shots, days after President-elect Joe Biden announced his plan to do the same. But there is no reserve anymore, the Washington Post reported Friday: The Trump administration’s Operation Warp Speed in charge of vaccine production had already begun shipping out that stockpile of second doses since the end of December."

    "Now, health officials across the country who had anticipated their extremely limited vaccine supply as much as doubling beginning next week are confronting the reality that their allocations will not immediately increase, dashing hopes of dramatically expanding access for millions of elderly people and those with high-risk medical conditions. Health officials in some cities and states were informed in recent days about the reality of the situation, while others are still in the dark."
     
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    The fact that our current vaccines aren't perfect is NOT EVEN SLIGHTLY an excuse for refusing vaccination.

    All those caveats are undoubtedly real. They make every bit of sense. This vaccine got approval before thorough testing, because we need it now - not because there was enough testing to fully understand its affects or effectiveness.

    Besides, the fact that we allow this virus to contine to thrive means that it IS evolving improvements to its assault on humans, including resilience against vaccines we have.

    Remember that flu can beat a flu vaccine in about a year of evolution. And, we've already seen COVID figure out how to make itself easier to transmit and more deadly.

    Surely you don't believe that means humans should surrender.
     
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    It's so easy to fact check HB's threads.
     
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    If it's the truth, why do you care who told you?
     
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    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    The Washington Post is more fake news. Biden promised 100 million people vaccinated in 100 days. Will he deliver? My guess is he will not.
     
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    sadly that is the truth, the Trump admin lied to the public again, go figure

    Trump also turned down an offer to buy another 100 million dosses of the vaccine, so those will go to other countries first now
     
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    Neither NYMAG or WAPO are literally fake news. That's just a stupid meme. Also nice goal post move.
     
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    We don't get the truth from CNN, Washington Post, Politico, etc. After listening to CNN rant, rave, and flat out lie for endless months about Russian Collusion I learned they are fake. Pure propaganda.
     
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    You think WHO scientists don't know how viral transmissions work? Did they forget?

    What a stupid excuse.

    No, it is likely because they didn't want you buying up all the masks.

    Do you eat up everything you're fed?
     
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    WAPO, the rag bought and controlled by Bezos is as fake as they come. It was a real newspaper when run by Catherine Graham. Under Bezos it is propaganda. Having grown up in the Washington DC area reading the Washington Post daily since I was a kid I guess I probably know a lot more about the Washington Post than you do.
     
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    I’m sorry.

    But does this come as some sort of revelation to you???? The disease specialists and the task force have been saying that since November.

    But, i guess on MeWe, and wherever else Trumpsters hide, you’re still insisting that you don’t have to take any precautions at all.
     
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    Trump's immigration policy was a total disaster zone.

    I hope we can move from the current hiatus Biden has called and on to a satisfactory solution.

    Immediately, we need to start working on returning the hundereds of children Trump kidnapped. Kidnapping babies and then deporting the parents such that htey have NO CHANCE of getting their children back is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE that I hope results in the appropriate charges against US officials of the time.

    IMHO, Biden should call for the solution created by bipartisan committees and backed by Repubublicans such as Rubio in 2013. That bill passed the Senate and would have passed in the house had Speaker Boehner not blocked it.

    That bill has elements that should be highly satisfying to right wingers - including tens of billions of dollars for the southern border, improvements in our visa process (which is how more than half come here to stay), and serious job protection.
     
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    Mexico has a lower COVID rate than does the USA.

    If you have a choice, I'd suggest you gravitate toward recent Mexican immigrants and away from American citizens if you are concerned about COVID.
     
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    agree, every parent missing a child needs to be dna tested, then every unmatched child done the same to reunite these families
     
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    See
    See post #200, that's the explanation. And you'll see that things will improve again.
     
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    Washington Post - Media Bias Fact Check

    "Factual Reporting: HIGH"

    New York Magazine - Media Bias Fact Check

    "Factual Reporting: HIGH"


    Do you have a source showing the statements regarding vaccines and Trump admin are false? Or is this a "Muh feels" sorta thing?
     
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    ^excellent post
     
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    You can shoot the messenger as much as you want, it doesn't make it any less true that this is what happened. I don't need the media to know. My hospital almost faced the same problem. We were smart in the fact that we refused to follow the guideline that came from Trump's team to use all distributed vaccines for first doses. We did hold back for second doses, not trusting the delivery. Then the delivery faulted... but we were able to get the second doses to our people. Then the Biden team took over and things improved again. You can choose to ignore these FACTS because of your political orientation and shoot any messenger that tells you the truth, but it doesn't make it any less factual.
     
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    So you are saying that masks work but that they didn’t want the general population buying them away from front line workers?

    That is a complete possibility.

    So which is it? Do they work or not?
    You seem to be struggling with aligning your thoughts... almost there.
     
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    That wasn't even the WaPo, LOL.
    And yes, absolutely, Biden will get to the 100 million mark in 100 days; actually more, since we're already vaccinating more than one million people per day.
     
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    We deported the parents.

    Finding the parents in various foreign countries so that dna testing could even be done would be a monumental task requiring significat local cooperation in those countries.

    At the very least it would require a intesive information campaign in countries that receive our deportees. And, that could include nations all over the world - not just those south of our border. Those we captured could have come from pretty much anywhere and would have been deported to the country of their citizenship.

    The chances of a high rate of success seems miniscule but I believe we have a duty to be serious about this effort.
     
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    It's a fact that N95 masks were reserved as much as possible for front line workers.

    AND, its a fact that Trump did nothing to manufacture enough high quality masks even just to satisfy the needs of our front line workers.

    Front line workers died at a higher rate than the general population in part because they were not able to buy enough PPE of adequate quality.

    There are known cases of FEMA interdicting delivery of PPE purchases made by hospitals!

    Trump refused to use the Defense Production Act to cause sufficient PPE to be manufactured.

    Trump denied federal support to a company that offered to refurbish a N95 manufacturing line that was capable of creating a MILLION N95 masks per day. That facility had gone unused since foreign manufacturing undercut the market in the US, but since COVID that source dried up for the obvious reason.

    I don't know what you mean by "do they work". Masks absolutely DO reduce transmission rate. And, better masks do a better job of that.
     
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    Don't pop a blood vessel, Will. I've said many times already that I wear a mask, follow all the protocols, and I'm going to get the J&J vaccine as soon as it is available to us "mere mortals".

    Before that, I was already willing to get the Moderna vaccine. So don't reply to me on this like I'm an unrepentant HERETIC or something....

    I'm ready for J&J -- right this minute!
     
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