Race and Crime

Again, that's specific to drugs.

Why would a black person push a "white fascists agenda?"

Again, why did you say that I "got a point?"

It was in relation to this source of yours:https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...surveys/miscellaneous/15-year-study/chap4.pdf

Where does that report say that "racism is the explanation?"

From what I know, it does seem that black people are not treated equally with road stops. However, is this really enough to prove systemic racism?

That makes two of us!

Because of racism?

Prove it.

 

you have white jesus as your avatar and youre now claiming to be black?

 

Ah, just another person being judged by their appearance. Race baiters tend to come through in a clinch.

 

That is not him in the avatar btw.

 

Thanks, for a moment there I thought that cartoon was a real person. Back to blaming everything you don't like on racism or whatever is trendy these days.

 

Gotta move with the times

 

So what is your rationale for why Asians are so successful and have little crime and few problems with police? Low cortisol?

 

What do you think? Asians are genetically more docile? Is it we're smarter?

I can rationalize why Asians are more successful and involved in less crime. Asians make up 6% of the population. That alone means less criminality. Most Asian adults are foreign born and come with a skill and higher education. Asians have a 12% poverty rate, but there are fewer Asians and what drives up that poverty rate are people here seeking asylum. The Burmese have a 40% poverty rate for example and that is expected to go down as they assimilate, similar to Cuban boat people. If Asians are 6% of the population and of that number 12% live in poverty that equals 1% of of the total US population are Asians living in poverty, so maybe that's why you don't hear much about Asian crime.

 

Your utopian rose colored fantasy of those living in poverty was challenged by a request of proof I believe, which you have refused to provide.

 

You have a problem with statistics? 6% of the population commit less than 1% of the violent crime. In the case of blacks they are 12.6% of the population and commit over 50% of murders.

I do not use terms like "hear much" I look up the stats.

 

Of course there is free will.

 

Also on traffic stops. I already proved that.

"white fascists agenda?"
I didn't say that. I said you're pushing a white fascists agenda.

Already responded to this question.

I already sourced the HRW report. You're not posting it now.

My source says so.

YOU claimed "Correct, and black people do more of OTHER crimes."
YOU failed to prove it.

That's just one of us.

Not reading any other kind of explanation.

I put up 3 sources who gets arrested more.
I sourced black people get longer sentences when arrested under the same circumstances.
They get out on parole later, without any other explanation of why that is.
So I already proved it, while you got nothing to debunk... just troll more questions.

 

I don't have a problem with statistics. I gave you a few in my rationalizations as to why Asians commit less crime and you don't seem to have a problem with them.

Then you come up with the old right-winger stand-by, the black murder rate. What about it, you say, as if you were concerned about blacks murdering each other. It is more a rhetorical tool used by the right to say, see, ain't they bad. Speaking of your snarky comment about stats here some statistics: there are four times more white sex offenders than blacks offenders, whites commit three times more rapes, they commit two times more assaults, two times more drug violations, three times more arson....I can cherry pick too. So what's your point?

I'll give you one. The gun homicide rate is horrible in the black community. A gun culture has grown because of easy access to firearms and the gangsta subculture. Crime is down overall in the inner city, that is all except gun use because every wangster has a gun.

 

asians aren't committing less crime in the US because they're not poor, it's because they work harder than other people. that's absolutely insane.

 

Of course there isnt

 

Free will is self-evident as everyone has the capacity to choose between the alternatives offered by reality. We know this through introspection and if you look inwards, you will see that you - and no one or nothing else - is the author of your choices. If you see yourself making choices, you know for a ceetain that there is free will.

 

We're talking specifically about your claim that white people get less disciplinary sanctions and also get on parole earlier than black people because of racism. I'm saying that it MIGHT be because of racism, but I need the evidence!

Yes, and how do you know that I'm not black?

You say that I "got a point" because you were honest enough to admit that it might not be racism!

So if I provide a source which says that there is NOT enough evidence to prove systemic police racism, then what? Are we even?

No, I linked to this: https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

It's also possible that white people get less disciplinary sanctions in jail because they behave better.

It's also possible that black people get out on parole later because they were worse behaved. Look up 'good conduct time.'

 

We're talking specifically about institutionalized racism in the justice department.
That covers everything from getting getting arrested, being sentenced, and released.

And you can not prove what might be a reason in 1 small part in that entire process,
while everything else is obviously due to racism.

Good to know you agree with me that you're indeed pushing the white fascist agenda.

And I already responded to this question.

The freaking university of Stanfort researched almost a 100 million traffic stops.
You can not find any source who went through this all THAT thoroughly, not to mention being a higher esteemed institute than Stanfort.

That's proving who got arrested over it. It clearly says so.
That's not proving who does more crime... since there is no link between who does the crime and who gets arrested.
I proved that already. White people don't get arrested over drug arrested crimes at a whopping +300% margin.
You fail to prove who is more criminal.

Your point, but no prove.

Your point, but no prove.

 

Nonsense. Everything is predetermined.

 

And you think that all of this is proved by that single HRW source?

Which would obviously only be pushed by a white person. How do you know that I'm white?

What I said wasn't a question. I said: "You say that I "got a point" because you were honest enough to admit that it might not be racism!"

Traffic stops are only one small part of policing.

The same applies to your drug crime source: https://www.hamiltonproject.org/cha...y_race_rates_of_drug_related_criminal_justice

I didn't make a claim. I said it's POSSIBLE that white people get less disciplinary sanctions in jail because they behave better, and it's POSSIBLE that black people get out on parole later because they were worse behaved. Look up 'good conduct time.'

 

It's a highly established well known source that knowns all about racism.
You got nothing to debunk, except some people who express their opinion.
Most of them do not even work in that field of that opinion. The others have zero experience and got no high positions.

I don't care about your question. I care about you agreeing that you're indeed pushing the white fascist agenda.

I already responded to this.

Goes hand in hand with the discrepancy in who gets arrested on drug related offenses.
Goes hand in hand with the discrepancy in who gets scented how long in similar cases.

Look again.
The picture on the left shows that white people commit more crime than black people.
The picture on the right shows that black people get arrested and incarcerated more on drug related offenses than white people.

I don't care about whatever hypothetical situation you can think of, if you can't prove jack.

 

you can not demonstrate this to be true

 

You only provided one single study, and that study didn't mention "getting getting arrested, being sentenced, and released."

I agreed to no such thing. If I did, then quote me. And you're still assuming that I'm white!

Yes, you said that I "got a point" because you were honest enough to admit that it might not be racism!

Only drugs.

Except you said, "that's not proving who does more crime... since there is no link between who does the crime and who gets arrested."

And neither can you.

 

First of all, you got NO study saying something else. So my source stands.

Besides HRW I also got Stanfort who looked into millions of traffic stops concluding that indeed racism plays it's part. So that's 2 sources.
I also got the US government saying that it's just racism that black people get a longer sentence, that I sourced in a different threat.
That same source also drags in MULTIPLE studies from the American Psychological Association saying:
race plays a powerful role in how the general public — and, by extension, those in the criminal justice system

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/11/17/16668770/us-sentencing-commission-race-booker

So I got 4 sources proving racism plays a roll in the US justice system and in the US society as a whole.
You got zero.

I wrote "I said you're pushing a white fascists agenda."
You responded with replying "Yes...."
And it's you assuming that I am assuming you're white. I said no such thing.

I already responded to this, and the next time I just ignore this because you don't add a thing on this part.

So much for your "The same applies to your drug crime"...
And you forgot the traffic stops.
And you got nothing to rebuke.

I indeed proved that.
White people do slightly more drug related crime vs black people, but cops arrest black people +300% more often.
So there is indeed no link between % who does the crime and % who gets arrested.

It's up to you to prove your own point.
It's not up to me to debunk something you read on some KKKanon blog.

 

don't blame the responsible party, blame the cops for doing their job. still going hard at being trendy I see...