What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

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    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

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    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

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    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

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  1. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    I'm sad to hear that you approve of the choice to kill living humans who have committed no crimes nor have expressed any desire to die.
     
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    Continued refusal to address your contradictions.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    YES, you said you wouldn't mind abortion if it's due to rape....are you changing your mind now that you see your GLARING CONTRADICTION ????



    Yes, you did say you'd make an exception in the case of rape.....are you now saying raped women who become impregnated by the rapist should be forced to gestate?


    I already answered your question several times...your inability to realize or admit it is on you.

    Your "argument" is a one-trick pony whose trick failed and you have no point..
     
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    How does a fetus express a desire to live? It can't anymore than it can express a desire to die...


    Your one-trick pony died a while ago but you keep beating it...LOL!!
     
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  5. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Well-Known Member

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    I have none.
     
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    No, I didn't.


    No, I'm not.

    You just wish to distract from the fact that you approve of the killing of a living human who has committed no crime and has expressed no desire to die.
     
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    It can't; that's the point.

    It can't express either; that's the point. You are approving of the choice to kill a living human who has committed no crime and has not expressed any desire to die.

    Nope. It just exposes your abhorrent belief.
     
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    it didn’t say anything about not being suicidal. What do they say to you?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    YES, you said you wouldn't mind abortion if it's due to rape....are you changing your mind now that you see your GLARING CONTRADICTION ????


    Yes, you said you'd make an exception in the case of rape....then I pointed out your contradiction and now you claim you never said that....so you believe that a raped women who becomes pregnant due to the rape should be punished by being FORCED to gestate....there is NO way around that ...NO WAY
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Yes, you did say you'd make an exception in the case of rape.....



    So you believe a woman who becomes pregnant due to rape should be punished by being forced to gestate..





    Yes, if you think abortion should be illegal then you ARE saying raped women who become impregnated by the rapist should be forced to gestate.

    OR are you for abortion rights?



    SURE, IF IT'S A FETUS and the women it's in DOESN'T WANT IT …:) :) :)
     
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    What's this "abhorrent belief" ?....that women have the right to their own bodies! ? You find that abhorrent!!!! Wow....that's an awful thing to think...
     
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    There are ZERO cases "set aside".
    No you are not. You are discussing tissue that is part of a woman.
    Our law is in respect to persons. That's what our constitution states.
    This is all totally answered.

    Medical science has methods of determining whether a person is alive.

    Medical science also has method of determining whether tissue is alive.

    I oppose the killing of persons in most circumstances. That includes death as a penalty.
     
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    Assault like that involves very serious damage to the woman. Not only the physical ddamage, but the loss of a future in which she was seriously invested.

    This has absolutely NOTHING to do with abortion.

    You need to stick to arguments that make sense, and give up arguments that make no sense at all.

    You say you've made a lot of arguments, and I agree that you have.

    The catch is, I don't see ANY of them as having any validity.
     
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    Now you are just being totally silly. Or, perhaps you don't understand capitalism.

    Insurance companies are in business to maximize profit. Thus they set their prices in order to do that. That's not a crime - it's capitalism. It is what capitalism specifies.

    The fact that it leaves MILLIONS of Americans exposed to health care costs they can not afford is not the fault of insurance companies.

    It IS the fault of our system that PRETENDS that capitalism can solve this problem when there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO evidence that it can. In fact, when there is absolutely zero reason that any corporation would ever even WANT to. So, they don't. That's not their fault.
     
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    Only the woman knows if it was rape or incest.

    You want to pretend that our court system can work this out. But, it absolutely can not.

    Your point here is TOTALLY dead, as you can not divide these cases from others.

    And, this is not the only reason that writing laws against women is an acceptable approach to reducing the abortion rate.

    There ARE other methods. For some reason you have not explained, you just happen to LIKE laws against women as a method of attempting to reduce the number of abortions.

    Why?.
     
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    You keep up with this "living human" terminology that has NO PLACE in law or medicine.

    Let's remember YOU are pretending that tissue that doesn't have a heart or a brain is a "living human"!

    Please remember that our laws on fertilized eggs treats them as property. They are posessions. There are laws on how those posessions may be treated, but there have never been created any kind of "right" to gestation.

    Even devout Christians are fine with IVF procedures that flush far more fertilized eggs down the toilet than ever get a shot at gestation.

    There just isn't any place for your word games in the discussion of abortion.
     
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    I really think you should be directly representing the basis for your objection to abortion rather than conjuring arguments.

    I just do not believe that your views are fundamentally based in a decision you made on what "living" means.

    It seems clear that you are using word games to try to effect beliefs held for OTHER reasons.

    That's the biggest kind of dodge possible.

    And, if that's what's going on, it is profoundly dishonest.

    So, please help me out here. I'd rather not see your position as profoundly dishonest. I'd like to know the foundation of your belief on this topic.
     
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    Two living humans are involved in a rape; 1. The victim. 2. The rapist.

    Do not conflate the potential with the actual.


    If it is indeed a living human it actually has committed a crime; using another person's body for their survival. However, it is not a living human and the reason it has not "expressed a desire to die" is because it lacks the capacity to express itself.

    Why are you interested in controlling other people's lives, Darwin?
     
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    I thought you hated it? ;)

    Doubt.

    Your question is trash.

    Duuuh.

    Correct.

    I am very much alive.

    No one has ever claimed otherwise, Darwin.

    Skittles-farting-unicorn or a gasus unicornus in latin.

    Yes, Darwin.

    When religionists try to do logic...

    Hard to tell. In the earliest stages it does not look much different from any other mammal.

    1. He died.
    2. There is no such thing as an "afterlife".

    Are you a cardiologist by any chance? This obsession with heartbeats is getting a little cray-cray. :laughing:
     
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    I see no anti-abortionist has dared yo touch #1697. :nod:
     
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    That was not a "compassion" argument.

    What I pointed out is a measure of importance of what you call "bodily autonomy".

    Our response to that importance may or may not be compassionate, but that wasn't the point.

    The point is that "bodily autonomy" is VERY serious.
     
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    Isn't God supposed to be the archetype of mercy and kindness? Why would a kind and merciful all-loving being force the unwillingly pregnant woman to suffer through 9 months of helplessness, agony and suffering? Why would He be against her living her life the way she wants to? Why would He want her to sacrfice herself for her "sins" when Jesus already died for all of our sins?

    Is God a jerk?

    Restricting abortion is to reduce man, God's proudest creation, to the level of the animals. For the animal, reproduction is just a matter of a temporary cycle fueled by instinct. For man it is a lifelong commitment and responsibility -- Why force a woman to undertake that against her will? Unlike animals, man is not a slave to his biology. Man takes control over- and uses his biology to his own benefit. So, why turn the woman into an animal? Why deny her her humanity?

    You talk an awful a lot about the "human species", but while doing so, you ignore everything that it means to be part of the human species. What you are advocating is vicious, evil and immoral.

    Handing rights to that which has not yet developed into a human being is pervrrting both the concept of rights and destroying "the human species" as a whole. There is simply no rational way to oppose abortion and all of your emotionalist bs about "has not expressed desire to die" and "homo sapiens" is absolute nonsense.

    You hate the human dpecies. You are against rights. You do not care about the desire to live one bit. What you care about is misery and barbarianism only.

    You are approving of the destruction of freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
     
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    You refer to what I call "bodily autonomy", as if it's unique to me, but then you go on to use it yourself, referring to it as "very serious." Do you think that you're using it differently to me?
     
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    Alright, so then is the privatised nature of the health system taking away women's right to their body?
     
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    So do you even know what someone is charged with if their attack leads to the death of a fetus?
     
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