Turning Jesus into God

Well lets tally up the score!

Koko rebutted your warped time theory with references?
You failed to counter.
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you 0
Koko rebutted your warped space theory with references?
You failed to counter.
koko 2
you 0
Koko rebutted your space defines gravity theory with references?
You failed to counter.
koko 3
you 0
Koko rebutted your temperature theory with references?
You failed to counter.
koko 4
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Koko rebutted your SR theory with references?
You failed to counter.
koko 5
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Now koko slam dunks the weiner altogether!

Our GPS system did not use relativity Ron Hatch saves nasa butts LOL



LOL

 

Thanks for the coherent response .. even if I may disagree.

I agree that it might matter to someone from a personal religious perspective - and get to that later - but - here I am just talking about the authenticity of the word.

Say you get a letter in the mail from your wife - and normally the mail is delivered by Bob - but this letter was delivered by Bob's son .. and there is no doubt in your mind that this is Bob's son - do you read the letter any differently ? Do you suspect .. oh Gosh - maybe Bob's son played a trick on me and forged a letter to me from my wife. .. of course not.

take another example. In this letter - this time the word of God - it gives instructions on how to get through the pearly gates (for those who believe in a works requirement - talking about works here - and not the faith requirement part.

We are going to leave the Sola Fide Crowd as separate for the moment - the rest of Christianity having a works requirement and these don't.

Person A) reads the royal law - "Do unto others" - thinks Jesus was the Logos - emissary between man and God - divine - yet subordinate to the Most High.

Person B) reads the same .. but believes Jesus was the most high.

Does it matter on how either will live their life - both believing in the authenticity of the Scripture - both believing the word is from the Most High .. .. I say .. not much.

Now to those with a free pass .. all believing in the same recipe -

Believe in the sacrifice of God's Son .. the Son of Man .. and that belief in this sacrifice will gain one entrance through the pearly gates.

Once again Person A) Person B) both believe that this recipe came directly from the Most High .. What difference does it make whether or not this recipe was delivered directly from God .. personally - or from one of the other personages of the Trinity ?

If tomorrow .. The Most High sits down with you for Tea and tells you Talon .. Jesus was my Son ...but he was authorized by me to deliver that message .. are you going to stop following the teachings of Jesus because he was not "The Most High" . Personage of the Trinity but rather "The Son" personage.

 

Get serious already! Pointing out you have no citation is not projection, I suggest you look up what projection is, then compare it to failure to support your position.

In fact all the weinerstein worshipers here instead of proving the point, instead proved the do not understand the physics they worship.

 

Koko - for the 10th time - it is not My Theory - It is the theory of Einstein - and the current collective consensus of the subject matter experts in the Field .. and what they teach in School.

So massive fail .. right off the hop.

Second .. your claim that you have refuted/rebutted - current scientific theory - is laughable nonsense - as your own link contradicted you....

Now you are Projecting your failure onto others. GPS would not work properly without accounting for time dilation - and it is you who has failed to counter this Truth.

Koko 0
Einstein (aka the fellow you call Weiner) 6 6 6 Game, Set, Match.

 

Nice When you cant defend your positions blame the weinerstein! Intellectual dishonesty doesnt get much better than that folks!

FALSE, I posted no link that contradicted me

Pointing out your failure with references and a plethora of evidence is not projection, its PROOF! LOL

FALSE, weinerstien was not the inventor of time dilation!

Time dilation by the Lorentz factor was predicted by several authors at the turn of the 20th century.[2][3] Joseph Larmor (1897), at least for electrons orbiting a nucleus, wrote "... individual electrons describe corresponding parts of their orbits in times shorter for the [rest] system in the ratio: [4] Emil Cohn (1904) specifically related this formula to the rate of clocks.[5] In 1904 he compared his theory with Lorentz's mature 1904 theory, employing physical interpretations of the Lorentz transformation that were similar to those later used in Albert Einstein's special relativity in 1905.

I told you this how many times now? Yet you persist in proving what you dont know.

Time dilation is not the brain child of weinerstein, people like yourself who do not know any better and the entrenched perpetuate the myth.

Lets see, thats koko 7, you 0.

Oh **** I forgot about your warped space that defines whats in that space!
Make that koko 8 you 0

Next rabbit hole.......

 

You are making things up - self delusion - contradicting yourself and not even realizing it in your desperate attempt to build a strawman - demonize the messenger rather than responding to the message.


You say Time Dilation was "invented" prior to Einstein .. I didn't claim otherwise.

What is laughable .. and priceless - is it is you who previously claimed Time Dilation does not exist - despite my schooling you on the fact that GPS uses this effect .. and then in the next breath talking about how Time Dilation was known prior to Einstein.

followed by detailing a score card - from an imaginary fantasy land .. where life is beautiful all the time - and Kodo has the ability to come up with a coherent argument.

 

Then the messenger shouldnt make claims beyond the messengers knowledge to defend.

You credited your god weiner as always for other peoples accomplishments.

whats laughable yd, is how incredibly good you are at getting all your facts twisted beyond recognition. I said time dilation in reference to how 'YOU USED IT' in a previous thread was bullshit. You claimed time compressed, time does not compress. Again I will repeat, differences in time are the result of defective clocks incapable of keeping perfect time under any and all circumstances.

Now we can add space, and temperature, and overall lack of understanding the factual points.

Relativity was not used in the design the gps system.





Each of the arguments are refuted and the GPS evidence plays a significant role in that refutation
After exploring some of those implications, alternative apparent equivalences are proposed which are consistent with the evidence.

Dayum!
Keep up the good work!
koko 9 fer 9
you 0

Next rabbit hole..........

 

Koko .. just because you find a website that claims the world is flat .. does not mean the world is flat.

Over at "Physics Central" Time Dilation is reality.

minutes.https://www.physicscentral.com/expl...elativity by,functions within about 2 minutes.

 

time does not compress as you claim, time dilation is not time compression as you claimed, you fail to comprehend time dilation, temperature in 'outer' space, space itself.

neither space nor time physically warps your god admitted that he made it all up in a 1929 lecture.

Ron Hatch designed the gps nav tracking system, he did all the math, created a new formula that clearly you do not comprehend.

Physics central are armchair commandos, like you, that had nothing to do with the gps system.

Just because he destroyed your time travel fantasies is no reason to ignore the facts.

No amount of intellectual dishonesty will change the fact that your god, weinerstein, and his relativity failed to produce a useable gps, but its a free country you have the right to be in denial.

 

For those who prefer 'fact' over fiction:


Official U.S. government information about the
Global Positioning System (GPS) and related topics

​

Ronald R. Hatch
Ron Hatch passed away on September 25, 2019, while serving his fifth term as a member of the National Space-Based PNT Advisory Board.



Ron Hatch was an expert in the use of GPS for precision farming, as well as other high precision applications. He became a private consultant after retiring from John Deere, where he was formerly the Director of Navigation Systems Engineering and a Principal and co-founder of NavCom Technology, Inc., a John Deere company. NavCom provides a commercially operated differential GPS augmentation service to the agriculture industry and other high accuracy users.

Throughout his more than 50 year career in satellite navigation systems with Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory and companies such as Boeing and Magnavox, Hatch was noted for his innovative algorithm design for Satellite Navigation Systems. [because nasa could not get weinersteins relativity to work properly] He consulted for a number of companies and government agencies developing dual-frequency carrier-phase algorithms for landing aircraft, multipath mitigation techniques, carrier phase measurements for real time differential navigation at the centimeter level, algorithms and specifications for Local Area Augmentation System, high-performance GPS and communication receivers, and Kinematic DGPS. In addition to the Hatch-Filter Technique, Hatch obtained numerous patents and wrote many technical papers involving innovative techniques for navigation and surveying using the TRANSIT and GPS navigation satellites. He also authored "Escape From Einstein" and published multiple papers in which he challenged current relativity theory.

In 1994, Hatch received the Johannes Kepler Award from the Institute of Navigation (ION) for sustained and significant contributions to satellite navigation. In 2000 he received the Thomas L. Thurlow Award and was elected a Fellow of the ION. He also served the ION as both the Chair of the Satellite Division and as President.

https://www.gps.gov/governance/advisory/members/hatch/

[emphasis laughingly added]

Physics central?

 

Never said anything about compression .. no clue what you are talking about.

Not up for another strawman session sorry. What I said was that they use time "dilation" for GPS calibration .. and posted a link if you want more correct terminology - feel free to take your complaints up with "Physics.org" .. as it is those folks with whom you have a beef .. and all that crazy time dilation stuff they talk about .

Your claim is false .. get over it .. the Space Time Continuum - get with the program !

 

stop posting your strawman ****!
I never claimed time dilation does not exist
I said YOUR version of time dilation (compression) is bullshit
you said a boat load of crazy ****, like
space warps and defines whats in it, like gravity, more crazy
you said dark matter is exists, it was all made up, more crazy
weener admitted he made warped time and warped space up, you foolishly claimed it was physically real, more crazy.
You said temp in space close to absolute zero, and ignored the space around the sun, more crazy
When you lost the battle to pedal crazy you blamed it all on weiner, and now on physics.org, to pass the blame of your failure on to them
if YOU are going to pedal weiners bullshit then YOU need to defend it. you failed.
I claimed and proved weiners, your gods, version DID NOT WORK WITH HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE/PROOF.
I did not claim no time dilation, you are making false claims.
With every failure you moved your goal posts only to fail again.
Im sure there is a nobel prize in it for you.

 

There is nothing in the above post -that conflicts with anything I have said .. nothing on time dilation - there is nothing supporting your claim that space has no physical properties - that it can be bent - curved and so on.

So what were these "Facts" you wanted us to look at ?

Koko - you are lost - you have no argument ..

Simple thought experiment - Find a cubic meter of what you call "Empty Space" in our galaxy .. you can't because in every cubic meter of space in our galaxy - there is stuff - and we are finding more "Stuff" in this space you claim is empty .. all the time.

You are wrong .. and need to face this reality - rather than putting hands over ears and rolling on the floor laughing and foaming at the mouth.

 

youve already shown them to us, thanks for proving in triplicate every one of my points about weenee worshipers.

 

Koko - what about weenie worshipers would you like us to know ? and what does this have to do with the fabric of space ?

you are avoiding again. The question to you is - can you find 1 cubic meter of truly empty space in our galaxy ?

And thus your claim about the space in between solar systems is false - and you know it .. because you know that this is not what outer space is made of ..

Science may not be your big strength - well - clearly as part of being a scientist is knowing when your hypothesis has been falsified

Was a simple error though - anyone could make it - even smart scientists like myself - who have taken quantum - done the Schrodinger wave equations .. and can tell you for certain that they do not have everything all figured out .. so save your Strawman ad hom demonization fallacy for someone else ..

So .. when you read "Einstein didn't know everything" it may well be true .. but there are a few things he did that we pretty much all agree on... E=MC2 being one of them.

Your mistake however was far simpler .. no need for Einstein's equations - no need to be a Scientist .. good at math ..

You assumed that "Empty Space" meant "No Matter" .. you didn't think about energy - in all its different forms. Easy to make that one .. no harm no foul.

Your biggest mistake Padawan - is not realizing your mistake - and correcting your perspective on the basis of that correction. Proverbs somewhere has a term for such behavior - I am sure you know it.

The 3rd mistake .. is this avoidance game - in the form of an existential - denial of of the Obvious" argument -- that we see once in awhile.
Not saying you went that far .. but were on that path. Can give some really good examples of folks that went to the max on that one ..

"Well - the Sun might not come up tomorrow" - can you prove otherwise... .. That temperature was not valid because the symbols used for the numbers were chosen arbitrarily ..

The problem with this line of argument .. is that it just blocks the conversation from progressing .. puts a halt to it .. usually ending up in the gutter somewhere .. down some Ad Hom demonization fallacy .. kind of like where you ended up.

You can do better.

 

so you want to play games eh?
Ok, well then, lets find out the facts shall we.......

Nice attempt to reverse BOP. I presented the mathematical definition (construct/model) of space, and in the definition of space that I presented there is nothing, zero, nada, zippo, nothing exists. I cant imagine what your strawman version is until you sort out the strawman you are trying to impose. If you are not capable of comprehending that, then this discussion is light years over your head.

Define 'space'
Define 'fabric of space'

 

I did not misrepresent your position - "Strawman" You have this bad habit of using terms that you do not understand.

I know the definition you presented - it is not complicated - simple as it gets "Nothing"

The problem with your definition - is that it does not define any cubic meter of "Space" in our galaxy ..

This is what you are having trouble understanding.

 

You said 'space' you did not change the 'claim' to 'outer space' or some space in our 'galaxy', until now.

'Space' as you originally stated, without a qualifier, must be understood in its root condition, and it has nothing in it, it is a pure mathematical construct anywhere in the galaxy.

Ok that said what is the fabric of space? Do you plan on answering that question or are you hoping I will forget that it was asked?

 

It was always outer space .. as we are talking travel through space - and time for that matter..

What space are you talking about then ? other than a space that does not exist anywhere in our galaxy.

What joke .. a definition of space that does not exist anywhere in our galaxy. You are just digging and digging your hole .. deeper and deeper Padawan .. come back to reality - and lets talk about things that exist in our galaxy ... rather than things that do not.

 

Im still waiting for that definition of your 'fabric of outer space' or whatever space you are talking about.
If you do not have a definition for your claim just say so.

Also define how one can travel 'through' time.

 

I have but you don't want to accept it. John 8:58, "Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” He told them he was the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob (Israel). Are you able to live thousands of years? Only a God could do this. You are not God. You may be your own God with your own morals and ethics. But, not God the Father.

 

Hmm... Once again your failure to produce any facts constitutes concession.

How about this.... Hatch gave us the mathematical corrections that he was forced to use to correct weeners error. Those corrections which are now proven facts because the satellites stay in near perfect sync just happened to give us 100% proof that weener boy is wrong.

How about you show us you have some relevant knowledge instead of just spouting off indefensible popular talking points and simply tell us what he had to do to the math to correct weener.

It doesnt get much easier than that!

At least show us that you actually know some functional level of physics?

 

Jesus does not claim to be "The Father" in John 8:58. He claims to have been around at the time of Abraham. He does not say he was the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

You are making things up - putting words in Jesus mouth that he did not speak.

If Jesus was to have said what you claim - this would make Jesus a Liar as he states may many times - including in John 8 - that the Father is someone other than himself.

It is you that does not want to accept scripture - clinging to one vague sentence that you have to twist and distort - against some 50 times when Jesus tells you he is not the Father.

Jesus asks his Father and his God - "Take this cup from my hand" - but if it be God's will let God's will be done and not my will.
Then - when Jesus does in fact go through with the plan ... and God does not rescue him .. he calls out to this God asking "Why have you Forsaken me"

If Jesus was God as you say - these two passages are turned into nonsense .. and this is what you are doing .. turning the Bible into Nonsense by trying to fit man made dogma into scripture rather than letting scripture make your dogma.


John 8:
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So who is this other witness Jesus is referring to .. if not "The Father" - Is Jesus lying ?
Who sent Jesus - if not "The Father" - is Jesus lying ?

Jesus is lying - Again- according to you .. this is 5 lies from Jesus according to you- in just this one chapter.

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Are you getting the message yet - one that Jesus is trying to get across - or do you still not want to accept it ?

What part of "I have not come here on my own" - is difficult to understand. Why are you unable to hear what Jesus says if you belong to the right Father ? or do you belong to a different Father - as Jesus suggests .. not holding to the truth - twisting the words of Jesus to serve man made dogma.

Is Jesus lying - as you claim - and this is just from John 8 . and there are 10 times that you claim Jesus lied ?

Next time you want to cherry pick one line out of scripture - and twist the meaning to suit man made dogma - you might want to at least read the chapter you are quoting from so you have some clue about the context.

 

I don't need to know any physics - although my level is much higher than yours. Your lack of understanding of Science in General on the other hand - is legendary.

The topic is time dilation - something you claim does not exist - but something we need to take into consideration for GPS to remain in sync - so once again you contradict yourself.

 

ok so now the goal posts are at time dilation? are you sure thats the topic? I know of only a couple people out here that every time they get flushed out of one rabbit hole they move the goal post to another.