Biden to hold first press conference today since taking office.

Reality could creep in if you'd let it.

 

These people are desperate enough they aren't deterred by it being a crime, as it is today if we decide to prosecute.

 

"on the border."

Do you mean on the other side of the border, or on our side of the border?

That's a crucial difference because there are almost a billion people who live in extreme poverty worldwide, and the idea that the US government can actually do something about it is ridiculous. The REASON those kids are on the border is because Biden told them to come, so this was a situation that was caused by an addled old man who clearly didn't have any idea of the consequences of this statements. If you really wanted to stop starving children on the border you would want the government to declare the border closed and announce that everyone trying to cross will be turned away.

So your "source problem" is Biden's dumb statements during the campaign.

 

I don't understand why "simple decency" requires amnesty. I don't see what's decent about rewarding criminality.

Because we make criminality attractive by allowing people to come here and work illegally doesn't mean they should be rewarded for it. My suspicion is that you really don't care our lax laws allowing that situation. The solution of course is mandatory E-Verify, nationwide. I support that, do you?

 

Biden meant on the other side of the border.

No it's not ridiculous, though Sanders himself recognized that in our broken world you can't invite everyone who is escaping war and poverty.

The US has been the world's leading power since WW 2, and as such has a corresponding responsibility in global affairs. But its especially greedy form of capitalist ideology (carried on by Trump's "America First" ideal) means the US has been at war with much of the world during it's entire tenure as "global policeman".

Exhibit 1. overthrown of a democratically elected socialist government in Iran in 1953, resulting in the extinguishing of that country's first tentative steps to a modern secular government, and the eventual rise of Islamic fundamentalism in the ME...and the eventual blow-back in 9/11.

Exhibit 2: overthrow of many socialist governments in Central America, replaced with military dictatorships.
Result of all this dereliction of responsibility for economic development, due from the global power, over the past 7 decades:

GDP per capita (2019): US $65K, Mexico $9K, Guatemala $4K.

And let them go and starve somewhere else. Got it.

Simplistic, as noted above.

Get out of the way and let's see if China with its Belt and Road initiative can actually engender some desperately needed economic development around the globe. The US has failed miserably.

 

Belt and Road initiative...you mean colonialism. The Chinese are not inviting hundreds of millions to move into their country.

So you do seem to think that we can fix what ails...the entire world. That's very George Bush of you.

So you don't have any real answers which is what I expected.

 

I read yesterday that one DA who is in MN I believe has announced that despite the legislature declaring them illegal, she stopped prosecuting a number of crimes.

It is not just one DA, it is a lot of them now.

 

Most laws since 1933 have been created by Democrats.

 

We attracted people here by telling them in essence that they can overstay a visa and it really doesn't matter. The idea we're going to round up and deport ten million people is unrealistic, so if we're going to keep some--those who have behaved themselves, learned English, etc?--we should take a look at criteria.

How can we get to a solution if you and your absolutist pals are unwilling to work toward a workable answer?

This from me on December 8, 2018:

"Replace the SS card with a national ID modeled after the Nexus Pass where there's a government database that can be updated and the card can be read by inexpensive readers. ID cards can be issued to foreigners on work visas and the database updated when the visa runs out. Employers can be required to check periodically on the status of noncitizens. Small employers can ask that a government agent drop by their workplace."​

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/third-migrant-caravan-enters-mexico-heads-for-u-s-border.546830/page-5#post-1069964751

That's the shorter version of my solution. Every employer, even people hiring day labor, should be required under tough penalties to make sure they check on their potential employee. Repeated or egregious violation should land an employer in jail.

 

We need to end the $50+b "war on drugs." That said, I'm not a big fan of DAs deciding not to prosecute crime.

 

Seems like E-Verify, a program that actually works and has been running for years, is a no go for you, but your own home cooked national ID card will be worth waiting for, just like that "virtual" fence that McCain supported while opposing a real, actual fence.

So like McCain, you politically put yourself on the side of enforcing the law, while the means are guaranteed to make sure it never actually happens. It's the best of both worlds!

But meanwhile you want to amnesty people who've committed multiple felonies...got it.

 

My ID card is based on the Nexus Pass, proven technology used for the border and TSA.

So, you dismiss proven technology used now, that can be applied to people hiring domestic and day labor, in favor of system that even your boy Trump got around when he hired illegals to work in his private golf suite.

It's not a felony to be here illegally. But you knew that, being the expert who cares.

E-verify involves delays while Nexus is instant and can be used by everyone as it would replace the SS card.

Seems as though you prefer a system that allow employers and their illegal employees an opportunity to wiggle out of compliance.

 

No, I would be happy with a system in which both employers and employees who commit felonies go to jail. And illegals who use fake ID's and social security numbers to get employment are committing felonies, but you knew this being the person who wants to sound like you want to do something, but really doesn't except to amnesty criminals.

So you want to amnesty people who commit felonies, correct?

 

Lol...nonsense, but it doesn't say much for your republican leadership, eh?

 

Employers must ask every employee for their SS card. It can be read with a cellphone that also checks the applicant's biodata against the database. Instant answers.

We don't want potential employers fighting with illegals. The guy doesn't get the job and the card is deactivated. Game, set, match.

Your plan for dealing with more than ten million illegals in what? You're going to put all these people on trial?

 

Are you a big fan of laws?

 

Return to sender.

 

I asked, "So you want to amnesty people who commit felonies, correct?" and your response is, "You're going to put all these people on trial?"

Obviously if those people just went back to their home countries, there would never be a trial, but given absurdity of your answer to that, to just give every illegal felon legal residence and a legal right to work (meanwhile American citizens who commit those same crimes go to jail), I would say yes, if you commit a felony, you should be arrested and tried.

That shouldn't even be controversial, but for the left, trying felony charges seems to be off the table.

 

You know they won't send double-digit millions back. What's your plan?

 

Millions of trials? Jeezuz, just deport those we don't want here. Better still, make sure they can't find paid work. No job, no reason to stay.

 

Not "colonialism":

To bring you up to speed on the Belt and Road initiative (BRI):

(from the global times)

"Biden's infrastructure scheme just a fantasy if US fails to back his rhetoric".

"Despite the fact that Washington has aired its concerns over the BRI, the US has yet to convince countries that it can offer a reliable alternative to the Chinese initiative. As the US is thinking about helping the world with infrastructure construction, its own infrastructure is in urgent need of update. As a matter of fact, Biden's $3 trillion package with a giant infrastructure plan to boost infrastructure in the US is still under debate - the plan cannot even make all Democrats say "Yes." "

So at last Biden has discovered he has to take responsibility - along with China who has already recognized it, among the most powerful economies in the world - to promote economic development around the globe, not just via the greedy, blind "America First" policy.

Biden has discovered this BECAUSE China is rapidly overtaking the US.

Unlike George Bush who took the usual US method of bombing countries back into the stone age.

 

Republicans work to free Americans, not add to their misery.

 

What amazes me is you want companies to be an arm of law enforcement. Do you want school teachers to also be an arm of law enforcement?

 

China is vastly different due to the Government owning all of the land for such infrastructure.

The USA has private property owners to deal with. Also China does not use American laws which slow things down in the USA by vast amounts of time. Trump did free up some of this though.