246 fully vaccinated Michiganders got COVID-19 between January and March, state reports

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  1. Chrizton

    Chrizton Well-Known Member

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    More potentially troubling news about the effectiveness of vaccines

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...vid-19-contract-virus-coronavirus/7101678002/

    State health officials say 246 fully vaccinated Michiganders contracted coronavirus from January to March, and three have died.

    "These are individuals who have had a positive test 14 or more days after the last dose in the vaccine series," said Lynn Sutfin, a spokesperson for the state health department.
     
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    Now, now, that's a discouraging word and we CAN'T have that, can we? Obviously fake news from QAnon or Russian hackers. YOU MUST BELIEVE!!! :worship:
     
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    And in this same time frame more than 211,000 total Michiganders contracted COVID....which makes those vaccinated less 1% of the total cases.

    Also by the end of March there were roughly 1.5 million Michiganders fully vaccinated.

    That means that of those fully vaccinated...0.0164% contracted COIVD.

    That leaves 99.9836% of those fully vaccinated that did not contract COVID.

    Those are even better than the advertised rates of efficacy.
     
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    The second paragraph of the newspaper article said they positive tested 14 or more days after their last vaccination. That should only be half the story. Sure, we've been told that after 14 days following the second shot we should be immune. So, if I contact COVID seven days after my second shot but we don't know about it until I'm tested 14 days after my second shot does that mean vaccination bad?
     
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    I don't remember any CDC claim that being vaccinated would mean that one could no longer carry a detectable load of COVID viruses.

    I think the issues have been more related to whether a properly vaccinated individual could carry enough load to infect others if protection isn't followed, and whether a vaccinnated person could get sick enough to be hospitalized because of COVID infection due to contact after the full vaccination cycle.

    This article seems pretty casual about cause of death.
     
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    Naturally you can get the virus, but it is what it than does to you, like nothing.
    Did they test them again, a day later to see what the virus load is, what the vaccine has done to it.
    Nope.

    Just a headline.

    Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
     
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    According to the article...

    As many as 246 Michigan residents considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19 were later diagnosed with the virus, and three have died, state officials confirmed Monday.

    The cases were reported between Jan. 1 and March 31, and the 246 had a positive test 14 or more days after the last dose in the vaccine series, said Lynn Sutfin, a spokeswoman for the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, in an email.

    "Some of these individuals may ultimately be excluded from this list due to continuing to test positive from a recent infection prior to being fully vaccinated," she said.

    "These cases are undergoing further review to determine if they meet other CDC criteria for determination of potential breakthrough, including the absence of a positive antigen or PCR test less than 45 days prior to the post-vaccination positive test. In general, these persons have been more likely to be asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic compared with vaccinated persons."

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...nzN36cXoGugfHFPGB0UQGHIBkA0vrJcjoMmToax-XqDJk
     
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    I just got my tetanus renewed. Very important in my jobs.

    I did not have to look up my vaccination records. Had cramps, diaraera and a cough over the last week, 4 years in from the last vaccination.
    Started all with a very nice cut while doing my livestock, the slight cramps.
    Called the doc, she looked it up, 2 days later I had my shot. 1 week later no more cramps, no more the shiiits and cough gone. Its a ten year now, with 3 vaccinations at a time.
    Tetanus, whooping cough and diphtheriae.
    The cough and the shiits are very common in my area and my job exposes me to them. Livestock = Tetanus.

    Will I have those viruses, even after my vaccination, sure, all over me, every day, 7/24/365. If I would get test everyday for those viruses, I would test positive once a week. But they can not infect me and multiply in my body. I can only be a spreader for a few hours, or a day, while they are fresh, than my body ( vaccine ) takes care of them
     
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    Weird how the OP has not come back to his thread.
     
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    Weird that you didn't quote me if you wanted to hear more.
     
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    You don't know if 99.9836% of those vaccinated did have covid or not.
     
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    No it isn't. This is totally unsurprising and predictable news given what we actually know about the efficacy of the vaccines. They're not (and couldn't be expected to be) 100% effective and so with hundreds of thousands of people vaccinated, it is inevitable that a small number of vaccinated people would still get infected. It would be more troubling if they'd reported zero infections.
     
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    No, correlation doesn't mean causation.
     
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    You realize that you rhetorically shot yourself in the foot with your own argument, right?

    The best vaccine of the bunch has an efficacy rate of 90%. That means, quite logically, that in 10% of vaccinations, it could be that that person is not completely protected and may indeed get infected.

    246 infections in spite of a vaccination is literally less than a drop in the bucket when compared to the total vaccinations in MI to-date. That is seriously far less than 1%, meaning that the vaccines in Michigan are currently at least 99% effective, exceeding the expectations.

    I'm not sure when so many people decided to become whiny little ******* and stop being real men with actual balls in their pants, but I am old enough to remember that people were THRILLED to get a polio vaccine that, at that time, had maybe, at best, a 40% efficacy rate.

    Why people are whining right now is just beyond me.

    So, no, this is not troubling news. This is the kind of data we would expect for a set of vaccinations that is well over 90% effective.

    You are welcome for this much needed dose of reality from me.

    Facts matter.
     
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    What part of 90% is difficult to understand?
    Now more importantly did any of the three that died actually die of Covid?
     
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    OMG...NOW you're questioning if someone actually died from dread Covid!?! I thought it was understood that if the corpse tests positive then Covid killed 'em, end of story! LOL
     
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    Golly, it's starting to look like the Emperor Vaccine is actually butt nekkid!

    Oh well, all is not lost--the pharmaceutical companies are making fantastic profits from their toxic concoction. :D
     
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    I heard that the vaccines were 99% effective. I don't know how many were vaccinated without a subsequent infection. But I think this statistic is in line with what i have read and heard. I would say the article was disingenuous for failing to mention that.
     
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    And I thought the title official GOP stance was that there was no deaths from Covid. %But what was blatantly obvious wa that the OP did not read the actual article past the Title
     
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    Yeah . . . that's out of over 1.7 million people. So . . . about 0.0001%? And that doesn't even take into account how many of these people were exposed before getting their final dose.
     
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    “I heard”. Yep! Says it all really.
     
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    Where did you hear this?
     
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    Dr. Fauci.
     
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    Link please

    And here is what the actual companies reported.

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    [QUOTE="fmw, post: 1072554177, member: 22801"[/QUOTE]

    Dr. Fauci. If he is correct then it would only take a 25000 vaccinations to have 246 of them fail at a 99% effective rate. My point is that the quoted article missed the point. It lies by omission.
     
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