If not all people should have guns, who should have guns exactly?

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    “Snatching” that’s kind of a silly word. Since when is anyone going to take one he already has ? Mental illness should show up on a background check. He should fail it. If he isn’t buying a gun from a dealer, he should be unaffected. I’m sure a gun-a-holic will jump at the chance to sell him one in private sales. Btw, I served 10 years in the military. How about you ?

    You don’t seem to care what kind of a mental illness anyone has. They could be a mass murderer type and as long as they served, you’d sell them a gun....sounds like it.
     
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    Thats one way to prevent the mentally ill from seeking help... punish them for their illness.
     
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    Ha ha. I suppose the mentally ill should be allowed to go anywhere and do anything. I’m sure then you don’t mind if one takes a day off from the institution, slips behind the wheel and goes for a spin at 80 mph. Must not deprive them of their rights to drive.
     
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    The only reason they passed their background checks is because we are not doing as we should do and put the nutz on the list
     
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    Bet your asteroid.
     
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    Buying a gun isn't seeking the kind of help they need to be seeking.
     
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    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Getting a gun is a solution to all problems for gunners.
     
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    They already do precisely that instead of seeking help. I would prefer they have a chance to get well.
     
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    Pitiful dodge. They should be able to seek help without fearing they might lose their rights. That causes them to not seek help. Anyone can buy a gun regardless what laws we make. Criminals will happily sell guns to crazy people and theres nothing you can do about that.. Lets focus on getting the sick people well again instead.
     
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    I don't give a rat's ass about the fears of a schizophrenic. They are exactly the people who should lose their rights permanently.
     
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    You should care. Schitzophrenics dont wear armbands that tell us who they are, and they're not crazy enough to give up their rights voluntarily. Your strategy forces them to hide from the help they need. Its also really mean...
     
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    And until they do, they should NOT be allowed to possess a gun. Soldiers coming back from wartime experiences can need along time adjusting. Carrying a gun while they are is the last thing they should be doing. Many forms of mental illness are curable.
    And we restrict people from driving and operating dangerous machinery while under many meds during many medical recovery time.

    Every citizen should be required to serve our country. Not necessarily as a fighting soldier, but at least in a support position as they become aware of what the military goes through so the act of killing and promotion of arming people here at home is more understood and not taken so lightly. The number of toy soldiers who don’t have a clue among those carrying weapons is staggering and fking ridiculous.
     
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    Ha ha, legal private gun owners will happily sell guns to anyone. It’s not just criminals. Dah.
    A statement of denial. Legally, every gun ever manufactured must first be sold to a legal buyer by a legal federal licensed dealer. After that, it’s mayhem as criminals get guns eventually through legal buyers who are not required to do what a licensed dealer does.
     
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    The vast majority of people who are classified as "Mentally ill" are not violent or dangerous to themselves or others.(1)

    As others have argued, if you punish people for seeking treatment for PTSD, depression, Bi Polar disorders etc, they are less likely to seek treatment and their condition only worsens.

    It has also been made abundantly clear that anyone who wants a gun can get one.

    As you are well aware, people have been killing each other long before the advent of the firearm. In those very rare instances when someone has had difficultly finding a firearm to kill just one person, they simply resort to deadlier, crude WMDs that kill a greater number of people(2).

    Finally, a determined killer will always find a way to kill. It is noteworthy that the simple $1.00 worth of gasoline used in the "Happy Land Fire" killed far more people than any firearm related mass killing therefore, it can be argued that fewer guns will result in more homicides as killers resort to using deadlier bombs, vehicles, Anthrax, and other Bio - Chem weapons.




    (1). "APA Condemns Loss of Life from Gun Violence, Disputes Link to Mental Illness"
    https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom...-gun-violence-disputes-link-to-mental-illness

    EXCERPT "Mental health programs are severely underfunded in this country and access to needed care is challenging for individuals and families. It is important to note that the overwhelming majority of people with mental illness are not violent and far more likely to be victims of violent crime than perpetrators of violence. Rhetoric that argues otherwise will further stigmatize and interfere with people accessing needed treatment. Individuals can also be emboldened to act violently by the public discourse and divisive rhetoric." CONTINUED


    (2) "Happy Land fire"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

    EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline. He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.

    Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED


     
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    Every gun ever manufactured has already been sold. Now people are manufacturing some at home. There is no requirement that can stop the people you dont want to have guns from getting them.
     
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    Your elitism is showing. Carrying weapons isn't just about 'soldiering'.
     
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    The power we placed in the hands of our government was not well placed. We don't need any new gun laws.
     
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    Get real, it doesn’t take but one or two. Depression seldom results in anyone taking someone else’s life intentionally, but it puts everyone in harms way. Right now, you Gun a holics are arguing for something that is UNLAWFUL if one is declared incompetent.
     
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    It was you who are into arming soldiers released from the military. Arming them without regard for mental well being can become unlawful. You do get that don’t you. A contrary medical diagnosis is grounds for being declared incompetent and ultimately for failing a background check. It’s criminal to arm these people. Just so you know, it really means you’re an advocate for criminal behavior. If you were ever in the military, there’s a much better chance you would get it.
     
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    An unlicensed person manufacturing guns is a crime. Is this something else you’re advocating ?
     
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    Why is it elitism to point out that anyone advocating we give guns to ex military persons without regard to their mental health is effin dangerous, wrong and could be unlawful ?
     
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    Infringing on the right to bear arms is unlawful. The infringements we've allowed since this law was set are legalities. ...and unlawful ones at that. We could make them legit by amending the constitution, but for some reason few are willing to try...
     
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    Its your opinion that everyone needs to serve in the military so that: "the act of killing and promotion of arming people here at home is more understood and not taken so lightly" that sounds elitist, as if only the military can prepare people to effectively defend themselves... Is that not what you meant?
     
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    That among every thing else that people take for granted. You live in this country and enjoy all the benefits because of the sacrifices millions over the years make. Yup, I believe in service. We were all raised that way and everyone served. It has nothing to do with defending yourself, it has to do with the uneducated ideas about how it’s appropriately done, with a few exceptions, the gun culture is delusional.
     
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    Seems as though you like to make up stuff. You’re just babbling. There are More qualified people are in courts deciding these matters.
     
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