Electrical Engineers

Not typical of the population.

 

There was a time, not all that long ago, when a cancer diagnosis meant certain death. Now only about 1 in 5 die from it.

 

In less than an hour I get vaccinated for CV19. And I have spent not one second fretting over the virus. And at my age I would be likely a victim. But though I was around family with the disease, I never caught it.

 

When I was a child, Polio was one disease a lot got. The Vaccine pretty much stamped it out in America.

 

Just a simple normal human reaction. It's hard to relate to stats that feel distant to you.

 

Magnitude. You just prove my point. Your only goal is to compare numbers in order to make something out to be worse than it was. Tell me, why didn't you use heart disease? "Cardiovascular disease (CVD), listed as the underlying cause of death, accounted for 859,125 deaths in the US in 2017." LINK: 2020 Heart Disease and Stroke Statistical Update Fact Sheet At-a-Glance At least that would have two common denominations (numbers and death). The reason is simple. It doesn't demonstrate what you want to demonstrate. You're picking and choosing in order to push a viewpoint. It doesn't matter to you anything else. Just that your viewpoint gets pushed. Its a dishonest form of argument. Hence why they call it a fallacy. You can dismiss it simply as me "complaining" if you wish. It won't change the fact of what I have said.

BTW, if you go by this LINK: List of United States cities by population - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the average city size would actually be less than 500,000. Indeed there are only 35 cities in the entire US that have 500,000 or more people living in them. Out of 311 cities listed.

 

For many it still does.. For many others it's prolonged, and the quality of life is torturous and in many cased financial ruin..

 

Well, thank goodness there are two sides to a Bell curve. If everyone was this kind of normal we’d be in a real pickle.

 

It is just a comparison. I thought one or two people would make a comment and the thread would fade away onto page two and beyond.

However, it got me thinking. The weird connection between electrical engineering, or more precisely, applied physics, and liberal politics. Benjamin Franklin was arguably the most liberal person at the Constitutional Convention. It was Franklin who first discovered the flow of electricity. It was he who assigned the labels + and - to electrical polarities. Liberalism, as a political concept, began in the colleges in Edinburgh and Glasgow in the mid 1700’s. It was at the height of the Enlightenment and James Watt had just perfected the steam engine, and published his findings about force and power, earning him the honor of having one of the more important electrical concepts named in his honor. The concept of using scientific methods in the treatment of disease was beginning to bear fruit, and there became an air, if only we can capture the understanding of nature, that through technological developments, we could create a better existence for all of us. In that spirit, the US was seen as an experiment, designed to demonstrate the concept of self rule, ie democratic rule, rather than rule by monarchs.

When one compares the more liberal members of the founding fathers, many of them tended to have been involved in some kind of technology or another, as in medicine, science, or agricultural advances. One forgets that the rise in the wealth of the nation, originally came from innovations in agriculture (that and the fact they had rather low labor costs in the South) giving the US an edge over the competition in markets on the other side of the sea. The more conservative founders tended more to be merchants or financiers. Lawyers on both sides though.

Even though Edison and Tesla were bitter rivals, both of them leaned liberal. Same with Gates and Jobs.

Beginning in the seventies, there began an earnest effort, on the part of certain conservative groups, to change the hearts and minds of American voters by painting liberals and Democrats in a poor light. At least by 1990 or so, a counterbalance from the left began to arise in the technological sector. Especially in the budding personal computer industry. Also, tangentially, in the medical equipment industry, which develops as electronics and software develops. History has repeatedly shown the resistance to innovation by conservative elements in society. A conservative government is seen as a threat to those who seek to change the world for the better. When one finds the most tech dense cities, one finds the most ardent liberal politics.

Electric charge is one of the four fundamental forces of nature. It is also the most easily used. I look forward to the day when gasoline powered cars are relics of the past

 

10% of spurious statistics are spurious.

 

But for four in five, cancer is entirely curable. It is the reason yearly check ups are encouraged. With advances in blood analyses, cancers can be detected earlier and cured before it gets out of hand.

 

It is kind of what empathy is - feeling the pain others must feel. How would you feel, if you had to suffer a loss, as a way of understanding how another must feel for their loss. Apparently it is a liberal thing. A side effect of having a liberal brain.

 

Quantum physics is statistical in nature. It is impossible to track an individual particle for more than very short distances, but if large numbers of particles are sent at a time, their average behavior is extremely traceable and predictable. Electricity is like that. There are something like 16,000,000,000,000,000,000 electrons flowing past a point every second for 1 amp of electricity to flow. Individual electrons can be all over the map, but all averaged out, the behavior is easily determined. People are a lot like that. The extremes cancel out and we, as a society, end up somewhere in between in rather predictable patterns.

 

A rather common cause of death among engineers is cardiovascular in nature. It tends to be a high stress job and it is the stress that leads to heart problems. I had a doctor in Colorado who once told me that certain rather large and well known companies were well known among the medical community for causing stress related diseases in their employees. Some handle the stress, some don’t. It probably has something to do with why so many engineers have that faint scent of gin upon them.

 

I agree. I’m an actual liberal and am advocating for empathy. The poster I’m engaging can’t really empathize—too worried about their own feeling.

Liberalism is founded on the ability to empathize with those we CAN’T understand or relate to. For example, as a liberal, I can’t understand wanting to destroy my body with certain drugs—but because I understand some people do want to I support their right to do so. As a liberal I can’t relate to those who prefer abortion as a means of birth control. But as a liberal I do not try and tell others what to do on that subject either.

The problem is neither yourself or the poster I’m conversing with are liberals. Neither one of you even know what liberalism is.

 

Don't make me turn on nerd mode. Technically, an ampere is the movement of charge over time, not electrons over time. I can move a brick filled with electrons through space and not produce a change in the e-field inside or outside the brick. Conversely, if I move a carrier that is positively charged through space, I've produced a current in the field surrounding that carrier. Think of those experiments you did with a pith ball long ago...

 

But that varies by type of cancer and victims age and how early it's caught.
The really interesting thing is that there seems to be a substancial crossover between cancer an covid deaths statistically.

Total difference between total number of deaths in 2019 and 2020 is only a little more than 125,000 even though there were well over 400k covid deaths in 2020. It would seem that the primary victims of covid as with other predators micro and macro preyed on the old and the sick often in combination.

 

Like all statistics leftist, it the type of cancer.. Pancreatic cancer is a killer, and regardless of the numbers, the cure never leaves the patient whole/normal again and they live their lives from one check up to the next praying it doesn't surface again.. Then there is the cost of cure, even the best insurance leaves most people with million dollar burdens.

You can always tell when someone just imagens and refers to cancer in some nonchalant manner like only one in five succumb to it..

 

? What to EE/ETs have to do with Covid?

 

Normally, when you compare two number sets based on demographics, there is some kind of relationship.

what to EEs/ETs have to do with Covid? What is the basis for the comparison, what is the tie-in?

Off hand, it seems totally arbitrary, i.e, a meaningless comparison.


If you are saying EEs/ETs are disproportionally getting Covid, if that were true, then that would be a basis for the comparison, but that is not how the OP is framed, no mention of such a thing was made in the OP.


I mean, I could say, there are 5 quadrillion marbles in all of China, but there are 83 quintillion stars. There is no relationship between these two number sets, UNLESS, I stated it thusly: There are more stars in the universe than all the marbles in all of China. Then, I've made a logical statement.

See, you have to state your premise with some logic, some basis.

Your OP is completely arbitrary, as written.

 

You wouldn't make a good logistic officer, and certainly not a Medical Administrator.......you've neglected HOSPITALIZATIONS!

As of yesterday; 1,051,927 Hospitalizations

Number of Cumulative Cases; 31,623,804

Case Hospitalization Rate; 3.2%

https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misrc-covid19-tracking-project
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Who cares, right?

 

You can track individual particles pretty far in a cloud chamber.

 

The world got along fine for millennia without electrical engineers.

In fact, without electrical engineers and their physicist colleagues there would be no covid pandemic. It might be a sort of rough justice if all the electrical engineers did succumb.

 

I dunno, you're asking the wrong person, I was taking a wild stab at the answer!

 

He thinks that rural America subsidizes cities.