Infrastructure Investing

I would hardly call that easy.

 

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
Beatles

 

I completely agree with the emboldened sentence above. But I disagree with your assessment that, in holding you to the opinions which you have thus far stated (I cannot know your views which you have yet to share), I am misrepresenting you or arguing against a strawman. It's called CONSISTENCY. If you felt that the Biden plans to fight an epidemic & attendant economic slump, or to address our outdated &, in cases, crumbling or unsafe infrastructure, was more wasteful than a tax cut, primarily benefitting the richest, or our wars in Afganistan (looking for Osama bin Laden, who was in Pakistan nearly the whole time, up until we killed him, during the Obama Administration) or Iraq, because of their non-existent, "weapons of mass destruction," there is no one stopping you from making that case; but you did not and, to this point, still have not. In other words, you did not give ANY REASONS, other than their expense, that made these instances of deficit spending so damnable. To wit:

If EXPENSE is not the primary issue, in your mind, you can hardly blame me, from your words, for knowing that.

No effort on my part will allow me to know what you keep to yourself, in your mind. I already invited you to share your past posts on the Trump tax cuts & on our Mid East wars. If you think I should, "understand what (your) position actually is," might I suggest that you post it?

Again, if you won't tell me, I can only make reasonable guesses. So it seems to me, your endless complaints about my speculations, are the real strawman argument, here. Why don't you just eliminate any uncertainty of your view?

Are you kidding me? Did you not recognize, posts ago, my asking you to do just that? OK, my bad. I officially ask you to state your opinion, vis a vis the debt we took on, & will pass to the next generation, for the Trump tax cuts, and for the war in Iraq & Afganistan, and explain how they provided us greater, "value," than the Covid bill, or the proposed Infrastructure plan.

 

It's basically what charging a mileage tax is on ALL vehicles, lol. Which is also NOT easy.
We're already paying the tax.

Also, do you think the government will implement a mileage tax and also repeal the gas tax? Nope. It will be just one more level of tax and compliance for the people to deal with.

Further, how many of the "poor working people" that Democrats used to claim to champion will be able to run out and get their EV anytime soon?

 

If you find things like FACTS boring, maybe you should focus more of your attention on the Conspiracies forum.

 

Maybe you should waste your time on other threads.

 

Because you, "said so?"

I was responding to your, "yawn," comment, to my explaining to you that the BASIS of this thread is the semantics of what is, "infrastructure," so that your criticism of someone arguing against the OP--

-- was completely inappropriate. That is, if you wanted to make that argument, it is the originator of the thread who would be the first offender.

My suggesting to you that you might find the Conspiracy forum more interesting, if truth & facts so bore you that you type out the word yawn, does tack with sensible reason. What causes you to suggest I should go elsewhere? Did I indicate my boredom with this thread?

 

Live in the past. It takes just little more then an hour or two to get an 80% charge. As the charging times keep dropping, bogus arguments by the right gets irrational. Remember, this is the same crowd who that doesn’t believe what every research snd university in the world teaches about AGW . They don’t even believe in science. They lose their believability.

 

From where, 79%, lol?

 

Probably less then oil companies have been getting in total for decades. Never saw the right whine about that.

79.9%

 

It gets a bit confusing when talking about oil and gas "subsidies". Some people refer to legitimate business deductions as "subsidies". Some refer just to the periodic credits and other incentives. Generally, an industry should be able to make it economically or not without actual subsidies, IMHO.

 

Really ? You think electric cars can’t work for a living ?

 

It’s only confusing to the right. It comes from our pocket . I’d rather have an affordable full feature electric car which can only come from subsides for infrastructure that supports it. The same subsidies that have been supporting the oil company’s for decades which supports gas powered cars.

 

Out of curiosity, what's the battery life range towing a trailer, lol? I suspect it's a fraction of the normal range.

 

Which oil and gas subsidies are we talking about? Loan guarantees, sure. Tight sands credits (which are gone now anyways), etc...

 

Why are you laughing ? You think the gas mileage of a gas powered car doesn’t drop big time when you tow either ? The difference is, the EV is 90% efficient to begin with while a gas car is 40% in a good day in perfect tune.

 

Does it matter ? It still comes out of our taxes to help oil and gas function. It’s been going on since fking 1950. That’s 71 years of billions upon billions of tax dollars.

 

Any form of transportation loses efficiency when towing. I lose about 25% when towing. I bet an EV loses 40-60%.

 

Let’s see, let’s not support a transportation mode thats 90% efficient and instead, dump money into one that’s 40% efficient. Do you guys really know math ? 90% is much more then 40%....this year.m
Maybe you’d be happy if the govt supported coal more....no joke, coal and whale oil. The gop really would.

 

You’d be wrong. You loose 25% ? What are you towing ? A kiddy car or aluminum fishing boat ? That’s not towing. . If I tow a pontoon boat.. My mileage on my truck drops from 19 to 9 mpg if I’m lucky. Think of towing as 3500 to 5000 lb . You don’t lose just 25% . Really.

 

Well, yeah. Normal business deductions often get called "subsidies" by critics of the oil and gas industry.

Oil and gas are subsidized, in terms of $/BTU, far less than solar and wind. It's hard to do a BTU conversion comparing a gallon of gasoline to a Tesla, but you can do it in terms of cost/unit, if we knew what legitimate subsidies we were talking about and had the data.

For example, calling the deduction for "intangible drilling costs" are legitimate business deductions that reflect the economic reality of drilling a well and prepping the site for oil and gas production. They're not a "subsidy" any more than an employer is taking a "subsidy" for writing off the cost of its salary expense.

The "subsidy" on an EV is given to the buyer. It's purely to make the vehicle economically viable when it's really not. In fact, Tesla would be losing money were it not for the subsidy revenue it receives by selling carbon credits to other companies.

 

How are you arriving at your efficiency numbers?

 

Btw, we know for a fact that electric drive motors lose LESS when towing then gas and diesel. Why ? Because for decades we’ve had electric drive motors on al, out trains with diesel just being used to provide the electricity. That debate has been won by electric power for ALL vehicles that don’t fly.

 

Trains are designed to tow, Teslas aren't. Gearing, fuel type, etc., all factor into the equation. EVs typically don't have the sort of gearing that makes a gasoline vehicle just about as efficient at 70mph as they are at 50mph. I think one EV model has the gearing to help with that issue. Most don't.

Look, I'm sure electric vehicles are fine for many people. I just don't think they need the subsidies. And in their current state, I wouldn't drive one. But that's me.

 

ha ha
It’s no different then the deduction and or rebates you get for buying an EV of putting solar panels on your house. It’s still money out of MY POCKET.


TESLAR ? Oil companies couldn’t survive delivering oil to remote areas either, neither could power companies and internet without subsidies. THEY ALL would focus on cities. , ei. Like the mail, we subsidize them to do it. What, you think this is a new idea ? Ha ha you’re funny.