Should Israel crown Donald J. Trump as Moshiach ben Ephrayim?

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Should Israel crown Donald J. Trump as their constitutional monarch?

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  2. No

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  3. Well...... he would probably do that too for one shekel per year and he will do a lot for them...

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  4. Yes... recovering from the economic aspects of COVID 19 makes doing this worthwhile...

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  5. No.... Rabbi Alon Anava would be better.....

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  6. No... there is somebody else!

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  7. other... please explain in a reply....

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    But................

    "And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none." (Ezekiel 22:30)

    ................. Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in his pre-existent form as the Word - Logos was continually looking for leaders who could be raised up who would intercede for his lambs and his sheep...........

    The Apostle Peter - Cephas was one of those shepherds who He raised up to lead His people......

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jhn/21/16/s_1018016


    "He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep." (John 21:16)


    ..... and those three denials of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus were turned into an asset because we can rest assured that Cephas - Peter would often use his own sins of the past to encourage and inspire his listeners and readers....................


    I am of the belief that President Trump has been tapped by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to play a critical role at this time......

    .... and I do believe that in spite of his flaws and sins...... ( because we all sin and have lots of flaws) ........... he truly wanted to play a critical role in history of standing between extreme corruption that will boggle our minds once we are given more understanding of the corruption...............

    and millions of Americans who were in far, far, far, far, far more danger than we tend to imagine!

    In 1998 near death experiencer William Deagle M. D. wrote a book entitled "Clay and Iron" that warned us about plans that were in effect for 2008 but........

    .... President Barack Obama..... in spite of all of his many, many, many, many, many flaws...... was used very effectively to stop Hillary...... who was the one that Satan wanted to use in "Iridium System Mark of the Beast."


    President Obama delayed and delayed, Iridium System Mark of the Beast



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    The Bible says that the Messiah is God. https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/the-messiah-is-god/
     
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    I'm listening to a video right now that does a good job of explaining how important the "anointed king" Cyrus was for the last three hundred years of history before the time of the New Testament.

    A mere human can be guided powerfully to accomplish many important things that God wants done.



    JOHNNY ENLOW: THE RETURN OF CYRUS!
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    Israel can do whatever the hell they like with him, but only after SDNY and the victims of his violent insurrection are through with him.
     
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    After the 27:00 minute mark in the following video near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava states that there is a prediction in Judaism of fifteen days of darkness before the coming of Moshiach, (I assume Moshiach ben Ephrayim).




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    "Near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava stated that there is a prophecy of fifteen days of darkness before the coming of Moshiach. I suspect that fifteen years, 2000 to 2015 were a metaphorical fifteen days of darkness that preceded 2016.... the coming of the Cyrus who may be recognized as Moshiach ben Ephrayim to many Jewish scholars happened in 2016."




     
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    I don't know much about the Jewish tradition.....but I do know that they compare Donald Trump to KING CYRUS.


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-trump-coin-honours-recognition-jerusalem-as-capital/
     
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    Just yesterday evening I heard a video that did a great job of explaining
    much of the reasoning behind the enthusiasm that so many Jewish scholars
    have for President Trump.





    JOHNNY ENLOW: THE RETURN OF CYRUS!
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    For the record I think that the Jewish scholars are correct, President Trump has certainly began to fulfill Isaiah chapter forty five and there is good reason to think that he will do the rest of what it is predicted that he will do.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/45/1/s_724001

    "I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts" (Isaiah 45:13)



    I am right now listening to all of chapter forty to fifty of Isaiah by clicking at the 2:20:00 on this video:




    The Complete NIV Audio Bible - Read by David Suchet - 23 Isaiah
     
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    Imho - the most important act of Trump as President, is his stance alongside ISRAEL.


    Christians must support Israel.
    Anyone who worship the Abrahamic God, should!


    Genesis 12:3
    "And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee;
    and in thee shall all nations of the earth be blessed."


    Romans 15:27
    "For if the Gentiles have shared in their (the Jews) spiritual things,
    they are indebted to minister to them also in material things."


     
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    I totally agree with you on these points!

    I actually feel that somebody assisting the nation of Israel to build at least one........ but perhaps two Jewish temples is necessary to set in motion the series of events that will lead to Zechariah chapter fourteen happening literally.

    And for the record...... I personally plead nearly total IGNORANCE when it comes to
    figuring out the difference between the allegorical meaning in scriptures vs the literal aspects
    of those same predictions.

    For example..... perhaps the present division of the nation of Israel into vaccinated vs unvaccinated may somehow
    be a major fulfillment of Zechariah chapter fourteen verses three and four.... (at least in the sense of setting the stage
    for the raising up of a legitimate Elijah and Moshiach ben Ephrayim and / or Cyrus type??????


    ...... "Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
    And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south." (Zechariah 14:3,4)

    But what may be even more important is assisting Israel to fulfill Ezekiel chapter forty seven that will literally transform the economy and the environment of Israel and several of Israel's neighbouring nations.

    I began the following topic back on February 10, 2013...... only six months after I joined politicalforum .com.

    "Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple may be least expensive way to stabilize climate?"

     
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    I have to plead ignorance to most of prophecies, and especially the politics surrounding the Middle East.
    You could say that my support for Israel is unconditional - it's automatic, based on the Scriptures.

    As I've tried to console fellow-Christians who support Trump - all these must come to pass, and God allows them for a reason.

    But I must say - we are living in interesting times.
     
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    Like you I find the politics of the Middle East bewildering but
    I am thankful that I've read some impressive and out of the box theories
    on how the situation between Israelis and Palestinians can be improved.

    The author of the following books had a near death experience back in 1992 and gives
    all the credit to the Creator for the plan for peace in the Middle East that was given to him
    during his NDE and in the following months and years.

    I did have the experience of teaching English as a second language to Spanish language students and
    at the minimum I feel that a Canadian like myself can get a discussion going that could also serve as side by side
    English to Hebrew or English to Arabic practice reading.



    God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, Hebrew and Arabic.

    http://godspeaceplan.org/books-download-page/

    I was hoping to grab the attention of some exceptionally good English language students through this discussion:



    How can we stop the rockets from landing on Sderot, Israel?


    I thought that the following idea was truly brilliant:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tiversal-models.400055/page-3#post-1064858430

     
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    After the four minute mark in this video is a question that President Donald J. Trump will need to answer in order for him and many Orthodox Jewish scholars will be prepared to take the next step.



    The Gospel according to St John, read by Sir David Suchet
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    President Donald J. Trump..... .are you Sir willing to accept the Holy Spirit landing on you and remaining but in the form of a "bird of prey".... as opposed to the form of a dove as was given to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus?


    "And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him." (John 1:32)


    What will happen with The Cyrus ruler is fully anointed with power from on high..... will be quite different from what happened to Messiah the Passover Lamb / Messiah Yeshua - Jesus!

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/46/1/s_725001

     
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    I am a student of Biblical, historic and prophetic Cyrus. Just as Babylon is the symbolic name of Revelation's last globalist evil empire... Cyrus [who conquered ancient Babylon] is also in the book of Revelation in symbolic form.

    August 1993 God sent me an unusual and prophetic dream. In that dream a symbolic Cyrus told me the secrets of the universe. In my dream I kept thinking... ' WOW !!" When I woke up, I could only remember one of those "secrets" = a new Tsar would arise in Russia. I watched for God's new Tsar for seven years. Meanwhile, God compelled me to research Biblical and secular history about Cyrus, ancient Aryan Persia and Tsarist Christian Russia.

    Then in 1999, President Yeltsin hired and fired several Prime Ministers. Then he chose Putin as Prime Minister. August 1999 I saw a TV news video of PM Putin and I instantly knew Putin was the one, God's new Tsar! Then on Y2K eve, Yeltsin suddenly expectedly resigned putting Putin in total control of Russia.

    21 years later... God's Tsar, Putin is still in power.

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    In Malachi 4, the spirit of Elijah's main "to do" list is turning the hearts of the children to their forefathers and vice-versa.

    This is also what God says to His chosen, the Aryan European Christ-bearing people, in Isaiah 51

    Listen to me, you who pursue righteousness
    and who seek the Lord:
    Look to the rock from which you were cut
    and to the quarry from which you were hewn;
    look to Abraham, your father,
    and to Sarah, who gave you birth.
    When I called him he was only one man,
    and I blessed him and made him many.


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    In chapter ten, (if I rememeber correctly), a near death experiencer was shown that America was a modern Babylon the Great.

    I will try to get you some quotations on that perhaps tomorrow.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zWQ0-AAbp0UkluMpImLWaAv9h-bnFrIdkqTxS2MT2rw/edit


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    That would be interesting, thank you.

    The USA [who emerged unscathed from WW2 which was the final demise of Daniel 2's Roman legs of iron] became the most powerful far-reaching globalist empire after WW2. Americans who lived during the 20th century rise, zenith and current degenerate fall of the American empire, have relived the destiny of ancient Babylon, ancient Rome, and all such worldly empires.

    In the prophetic book of Revelation, "Babylon" was chosen to symbolize the last worldly empire. In Daniel 2, it's archetype was ancient Babylon the "head of gold." Revelation's prophetic "Babylon the Great" is Daniel 2's symbolic "weakened feet of iron mixed with miry clay" that is destined to fall... and be replaced by the Kingdom of God on earth.

    Btw... it was interesting how Trump's popular slogans also symbolized the fall of Babylon. "Make America Great Again" [Babylon the Great] "Build that Wall" and "Drain that Swamp". These slogans leap from the pages of history [and Revelation 16.] God's anointed king Cyrus [Isaiah 44:28. Isaiah 45, Ezra 1] conquered ancient Babylon "like a thief" by diverting the water [draining the swamp] of the Euphrates River at Babylon so his troops could secretly go UNDER Babylon's "invincible wall" along the dried up river bed.

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    If the truth were known... God's anointed Persian king Cyrus [Isaiah 44:28. Isaiah 45] and his Aryan Persians were descended from Israelites from the Northern Kingdom who Assyria had resettled in the cities of the Aryan Medes in the 8th century BC [2 Kings 17:6, 2 Kings 18:11.]

    Secular history says the Medes were Aryans and connected to the Medes were a lesser Aryan people called Persians who were divided into 10-12 tribes [10 or 12 depending upon which ancient Greek historian wrote the history.] Ironically, the lost Northern Kingdom Israelite tribes are called the "10 lost tribes." God's anointed Aryan Persian king, Cyrus, united the Aryan Medes/Persians into one kingdom, conquered Babylon, liberated the tribes of Judah [to make 12 total] from Babylonian captivity and returned the tribes of the Southern Judah kingdom back to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple [Ezra 1 - Ezra 6, Isaiah 44:28. Isaiah 45.]

    The massacre of the Edomite enemy in the book of Esther [which is actually a prophetic parable] is based on a massacre in ancient Persian history [Esther = Hadassah = Atossa.] Atossa was Cyrus' daughter... and that makes the Persian king in the book [parable] of Esther... Darius the Great who decreed the completion of Israel's second temple in Jerusalem - Ezra 6.

    Cyrus is an archetype of Christ. There are many Cyrus symbols used in Revelation prophecy. Rev 19:11, the warrior on a white horse is a Cyrus symbol, White horses were sacred to the ancient Aryan Persians. Cyrus took white horses with him in his war campaign against Babylon. In Rev 16 - drying up the water of the Euphrates River to make way for the kings from the east - is a Cyrus symbol. That was the brilliant way Cyrus conquered the city of Babylon - like a thief ! And that brilliant idea came to Cyrus after an incident with one of his white horses !!

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    Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This gives me a lot to think about.

    You may find it interesting that I actually quoted Ms. Ariela Solsol Periera over in another topic:

    Near death experiencer shown no condemnation for women who choose....





     
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    Abortion is murder!

     
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    I agree......
    abortion is indeed murder but the babies who were murdered by a young mother learn to forgive as soon as they are in the afterlife and they want nothing to do with vengeance on their mother.......
    but instead were really happy to meet her during her brush with death.

    After her near death experience Ms. Ariela Solsol Periera became a strong anti-abortion advocate.
     
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    I advise you to stop listening to evil false prophets who tell you such satanic BIG LIES !!

    No human can forgive murder. Murder is a sin against God. Murder violates God's Law and God's Law decrees the death penalty for murderers.

    In spite of what you and so many others have been misled to believe... there is no consciousness in death. That is a pagan belief. Those who tell you they have seen the afterlife are liars.

    The ONLY immortality the Bible promises [OT and NT] is the bodily resurrection from the dead. Over and over in the Bible, death is referred to as "sleep" [no consciousness of time or events that pass] until the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ at Christ's second coming.

    Per the Bible [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 & 1 Corinthians 15:12-26], Jesus' bodily resurrection from the dead was the first fruit of God's people who now "sleep" in death awaiting the resurrection of their bodies at Jesus' second coming.

    Protestant reformers Martin Luther [who translated the Bible into German] and William Tyndale [who was martyred for translating the Bible into English] both believed what the Bible says = they would blissfully sleep [not being conscious of the time or events that pass] until they are bodily resurrected at Jesus second coming. From the perspective of the living, they may sleep in death hundreds/thousands of years; but for those who sleep in death, their bodily resurrection is their next conscious moment after death.

    Think of the Biblical "death sleep" until the resurrection of the dead as God's version of "suspended animation"... except God does not need the original body to resurrect that body into immortal perfection. God has our genetic codes, etc... in God's "Book of Life" [Psalms 69:28, Psalms 139:13-16. Malachi 3:16-18, Ephesians 1:4, Revelation 3:5, Revelation 13:5-8, Revelation 17:8, Revelation 20:14-15, Revelation 21:27]

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    Here are a few paragraphs from chapter seven of the book by Ms. Ariela Solsol Periera:

    I totally agree that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is the ultimate Cyrus but there does still need to be a Christian Political Cyrus who is merely human but is led by the right hand by Jesus who will succeed in building the nation of Israel at least one temple, (but there are many reasons for two Israel temples to be constructed in the near future)?
     
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    I hoped Putin would be that human Cyrus.

    The huge problem is... Putin, Trump, you and most people have been deceived to believe the evil antichrist marxist FAKE "jews" who now maliciously occupy and pervert God's ancient Holy Land are "Israel"... but they are NOT Israel... they are evil satanic Edomites who have been the enemy of true Israel since Genesis! True Israelites are Christians just as Jesus said they would be. "I am sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel... My sheep hear My voice... I know them... and they follow Me." To the unbelieving antichrist Edomites [who also occupied and ruled Judea at the time of Christ]... Jesus said: "You do not believe... because you are NOT My sheep!" [they are Edomites, NOT Israelites!]

    Anyone who advocates the rebuilding of antichrist Edomite Herod's temple is either deceived or an Edomite.

    Jesus Christ is the God of Israel incarnate = God's Temple made without hands. God's Aryan European Christ-bearing people, the true descendants of ancient Aryan Israelites, are the living stones in God's Temple made without hands.

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    President Putin could still pull that off.......
    and I can think of a number that might really get him and many of his advisors doing some serious thinking?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-most-notable-critic.588335/#post-1072667311






     
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    Number ??

    88 ??

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