What good is religion?

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  1. gabmux

    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see no purpose for it.
    If it ever had significance...whatever it's meaning was...
    has been diluted, lost or mutilated beyond recognition.
    Look around...what has religion done for humanity?
    People still killing each other off...still greedy, selfish,
    egotistical bast**ds.
    Humans have been around forever....
    all their education, technology, religion, .etc.,
    and they still can't figure out how to get along.
    It's time to bury your religions.
    They are worthless and died long ago.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it used to be a form of government

    now it's just a way for people to bond together and make friends

    as long as it doesn't get fanatical, it does no harm
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Every time you codify something you bell curve it

    Do you want a small group of people telling you what to believe and how to live?

    Your religion is the belief(s) that you use to govern your actions.

    Its the beliefs you have for self preservation.

    Why didnt you get your vacs shot, because I believe it might kill me.

    For instance those who did not eat pork in ancient times lived, it was their religion, they did not die from trichinosis like those who did not share their religion or adopt it for themselves.

    If you want mind control get rid of religion!

    Then you wont have to worry, they will codify everything and they will drag you in at the business end of a barrel of a gun and you will get your vacs shot.

    The state will be only too happy to do the job for you!

    Asking people to bury their religion is no different than asking them to shut their brains off and become mindless automatons.


    The most educated people were those who worked in the church but many who worked in the monasteries had taken a vow of isolation and their work remained isolated with them.
    Medieval Education - History Learning Site

    You make it sound like its a poison, it formed and built the world around you!

    Everything we know today starts with a 'belief', not facts.
     
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    I am of the belief that the dogma and doctrines of all religions......

    on some level can be compared with the orders given by the "authority figure" dressed as a psychologist in the Milgram Experiment.


    https://near-death.com/mellen-thomas-benedict/




    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
     
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    No two people on the planet have the same religion. That is not possible. They join together toi form groups based on center of the bell curve beliefs. Outside the center we all have our own private dogma in addition to the center field dogma.

    ie: For instance, if my 'personal' beliefs lean more toward Buddhism than JC, I would 'choose' Buddhism for my 'religion'. Atheists typically wind up leaning toward some sort of state ethics or science, super-naturalists typically with a deity.
     
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    Population control.
     
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    Milgram?



    lol
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How so?
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But it does no good...that's the point of the thread
    It's totally worthless
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    some need the bonding, but yes, they could get it from other events then church, like Bingo or something and most are nowadays, church attendance is way way down
     
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    Let me start with a bit of education for you that shows that religions are dying in the West, and why, and why they are still useful in less developed areas.

    Why there is no way back for religion in the West | David Voas | TEDxUniversityofEssex - YouTube

    You said that religions have no purpose.

    Do you have a tribal instinct, and is a religion just not another tribe?

    I think they tribes and religions are analogous and serve a huge purpose of creating communities.

    No argument that they have become evil with their homophobic and misogynous teachings, but remember how long the so called good people have let religions get away with their G D discrimination without a just cause against better than half the planet.

    Regards
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    I agree.

    Look at when Christianity unleashed hell on us.

    I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

    https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

    Further.
    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

    Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

    Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

    "Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

    Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.



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    DL
     
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    Fanatical is good if one is spiritual, but I don't think a believer can be spiritual.

    All they can be is idol worshipers.

    If believers could be spiritual, they would condemn their genocidal god to hell the way Gnostic Christians have done.

    Spirituality trumps faith and belief as it is never a moral coward the way Christians who do not condemn the genocidal Yahweh to hell are moral cowards.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    to be fair, we are all spiritual beings having a human experience

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    Really arrogant to think we have finally for the first time since the dawn of man can now do without religion. It's not possible. Something or someone will be worshipped.
     
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    I'd say we're human beings having a human experience, which for many includes spirituality of some kind. All part of having these big brains.
     
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    Finally something we can agree upon!

    Yes religion(s) creates community and community creates culture
     
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    and that is different from atheists how?
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol!!! That's hilarious!!!
    Humans are by far the stupidest creatures on the planet!
    Look at the constant destruction caused by humans every day.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Religion IS mind control...
    Exactly!!! Humans NEED to shut their brains off.....look what they're doing to everything and everyone around them.
    It is nothing less than a poison....the world was better off before religion took it's toll.
    If humanity does still have a chance to heal itself...and stop it's insanity...it wont be with religion.
     
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    The foundation of any religion is to define how a person lives. They all use some sort of book as the basis of their beliefs and some bizarre explanations of how the world came to be. Let's look at just one of these "rules".

    THOU SHALT NOT KILL

    Consider John, a believer in a religion that says one should not kill. John's wife and children were murdered during a break-in. John is heartbroken and angry. He is tired of waiting for the wheels of justice to turn (and there is no guarantee the person will be sent to prison).

    Do you think this commandment (he's believed his whole life) will cause him pause or to stop at the idea of seeking revenge?
     
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    Yes agree...bonding is what they seek....
    and all that religions do is set them apart from others...from other religions...even from other factions of the SAME religions.
    They make their identity into their religion...they BECOME a Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Republican, etc..
    those things will never be who they are....they are the delusions of an insane species.
     
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    Yes...It says "THOU SHALT NOT KILL"...and it also says..."For all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
    If your pal John kills out of his vengeance...then he is no different than the guy who murdered his family.
    What does he gain by killing? His family back? Satisfaction?
    None of those things will be his...John will...at best...die a miserable fool.
     
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    You had to be a potential human in the womb before any spirituality can exist in whatever mind a fetus has.

    You first say to yourself, likely without really knowing it " I am ", either in the womb or shortly after delivery.

    We do not usually argue but I got you on a technicality on this one buddy.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Exactly. If he didn't believe in his religion, it would be easier to seek revenge - thus population control.
     

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