The Legacy of the Trump

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  1. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    At the end of the day, what matters most, from a historical perspective, is the legacy one leaves behind. This is most important to the president of the United States as he/she/it will be studied for as long as the US continues to be a country. The Trump’s legacy is not exactly pretty.


    The Trump began its political career by pushing a narrative about Barrack Obama not being a legitimate president. Something about Obama not being born in the US, not having a valid birth certificate. It announced its run for the presidency by riding down an escalator and then making a speech where it expressed its hatred for Hispanics. It went on to win the Republican nomination by doing little more than mocking and insulting the other Republican candidates.


    Much of its campaign followed the path laid down by the Republican Party. That is, the narrative over Hillary Clinton that had been parcel to the endless congressional hearings into her activities. Hearings that appeared to have no other purpose than to tar Clinton. As the campaign wore on, the Trump and eighteen of its underlings met with Russian operatives on at least 140 different occasions. Meetings that they all later lied about when asked by FBI agents or in Congressional hearings. Some even went to jail for lying. It has since been discovered that members of the Trump’ campaign had been sharing their data with Russian operatives, allowing the Russians to more efficiently direct their campaign efforts.


    In an odd quirk in our electoral system, the Trump won the presidency while losing the popular vote. It remained unpopular throughout its presidency, never receiving more than a little above 40% approval of the American people, even though its base remained rabidly loyal. At its inaugural address, the turnout was extremely low. Yet the Trump kept insisting that it was the greatest turnout of any president, setting the tone of its presidency. That of constant lying. By various media accounts, the Trump made more than 30,000 false or misleading statements throughout its presidency.


    One of the freakiest aspects of it reign was its creepy insistence on public statements of praise and loyalty. It was scary weird, watching those video clips, as each cabinet member in turn, as they went around the table, sang the praises of the Trump and vowed their untiring loyalty. In The United Stares no less.


    Shortly after taking office, the Trump “accidentally” revealed state secrets to Russian diplomats. The next year, after a meeting with Putin, in which the Trump allowed no Americans, the Trump publicly sided with Putin against the American intelligence community, which led to the establishment of an independent investigation led by Robert Mueller. Upon hearing of the establishment of the investigation, the Trump is reported to have said it was f***ed, that it was the end of its presidency. It then proceeded to obstruct the investigation, thus justice, in at least 10 different efforts. The Mueller report, detailing the Trump’s wrongdoing, was dismissed by congressional Republicans, giving the Trump a pass.


    The Trump was so inept at diplomacy that it drove away our closest allies while embracing some of the world’s worse dictators. As far as foreign policy goes, the Trump did almost nothing, beyond a few photo ops. Even then, leaders from around the world were laughing at it. Perhaps the only person to ever be openly laughed at, and mocked, at the General Assembly of the UN.


    After having been given a pass on its campaign corruption, the Trump began in earnest, the next phase of it ineptitude. Reportedly based upon a Kremlin authored narrative, the Trump and its allies, especially those involved in the dissemination of Right wing “news”, began to tell the tale, an inept effort to rewrite history. The claim began, that it wasn’t Russians who assisted the Trump, but rather Ukrainians who interfered on the behalf of Hillary Clinton. They even played into the Hillary’s email silliness, claiming her server was hidden in the Ukraine. Mostly it was an extortion effort to get the Ukrainian president to make public comments, to play along with the Russian hatched Republican narrative. For this the Trump was impeached. Congressional Republicans once again gave it a pass.


    Just as the impeachment proceedings were underway, the world was hit by a pandemic. The Trump repeatedly tried to downplay the pandemic. Preferring to make insults towards China and Democrats, rather than take any meaningful action. Governors, fearing the worse, ordered their states into lockdown, with mandatory social distancing and mask wearing. Tactics proven at preventing the spread of disease. The Trump mocked the efforts and went golfing as millions were infected and thousands died. It was as if the Trump was frozen in ineptitude. It did not know what to do, so it froze in place, lashing out at those around it.


    In the lead up to the election of 2020, the Trump began efforts to thwart the election process, opposing laws designed to make it safer to vote in a pandemic, installing a corrupt individual to slow down the post office, and a constant drum beat of possible election fraud. When the votes were tallied, the Trump had lost both the popular vote and the electoral college by convincing margins. Yet it insisted that it had won. It even held a celebratory event, declaring itself the winner. It then embarked on a campaign of wishful thinking and intimidation tactics, designed to overthrow the election and remain in power. It tried more than 60 times to get a judge to overturn an election here or there, with no success. It pressured state election officials to cheat in its favor and urged Republican legislators governors to overturn the election, also with no success. Failing at that, it called for an insurrection at the Capital to prevent the election certification. This we now know as the insurrection of the sixth of January by a group of fanatical Trump supporters. Fortunately they were blocked by police officers just long enough for Congress to escape without injury. So, here we are now, seven months after the election, four months after Biden became president, and the Trump continues to insist it only lost because of fraud. That, in spite of the fact that the elections of 2020, because of the increased scrutiny, have been the cleanest on record. The Trump clearly lost. The American people clearly rejected the Trump. It was for its call for the insurrection that the Trump was impeached a second time. The only president in history to have been impeached twice, that and having lost the popular vote, twice. Once again, the equally corrupt, or is that cowered, Congressional Republicans once again gave the Trump a pass.


    This is the basic outline. Of course its constant attacks on the press, its subtle embrace of supremacists, its ignorance, its nepotism, and its corruption are threaded throughout. It made money by charging the government for the “services” of its properties. The biggest issue may be yet to come. Apparently the Trump has been involved in less than honorable business dealings all its life. The legal ramifications of that practice seem to be coming back to deliver it a heavy dose of karma.


    Its only achievement was massive tax cuts for wealthiest and the corporations they own and control, at a cost of trillions to the national debt. That and whatever the Right wing media convinced its base it did.
     
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    Hmm.. your facts seem at best, unreliable. Hillary started the first birther narrative. Are you mad that Trump simply cribbed it from her? After the first failed assertion, what is the value of actually reading the rest of them, when demonstrably, the very first assertion is false?

    Politifact rates this post as mostly wrong.
     
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    The legacy of Trump is simple...a failed response to COIVD-19 and his actions after the election.

    Those are the only two things history will remember his about presidency.
     
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    Legacy to me implies a gift, a contribution of some sort. Normally I cannot even connect Trump with the term "Legacy" . However, as I think on it, Trump actually gave us perhaps the greatest gift this nation could receive. When Trump on the evening of election day and requested to "Stop the vote count", he let us know how vulnerable our democracy was

    The greatest gifts in life come from our mistakes, as long as we do not repeat them.
     
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    Twice impeached president who never had the support of the majority of Americans.
     
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    Actually someone’s staffer mentioning something to someone is a far cry from the torrent of tweets and claims that Trump put out
     
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    His real legacy will be the words “never again”

    As the corruption he embodied becomes to light there will be an ongoing outcry to prevent the abuses from happening again
     
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    Worse than Nixon is how they are now describing the phone record thing that has recently come to light. It seems to me that the Trump was always crooked. That corruption and illegalities were its mode of operation and probably extend back into its childhood. It is kind of sad that so many Republicans have hitched their wagon to such a grotesque creature.
     
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    Nailed it!..........Thanks
     
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    No, Clinton didn't start the birther thing. This guy did.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304

    No, Hillary Clinton did not start the 'birther' movement
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nton-did-not-start-birther-movement/90500762/

    Cruz and Trump also did not present any evidence that “Clinton or anyone on her campaign ever questioned Obama’s birthplace, demanded to see his birth certificate, or otherwise suggested that Obama was not a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as president,” FactCheck.org found.
    https://www.jacksonville.com/article/20150731/NEWS/801250374

    there is no evidence of ties between her and her campaign staff and the Obama birthplace allegations.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37391652

    False
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/

    False
    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...hecking-donald-trumps-claim-hillary-clinton-/

    No, Hillary Clinton did not start the ‘birther’ movement
    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/17/politics/hillary-clinton-birther-conspiracy/index.html

    There is no evidence to support the claim Clinton started the birther movement
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fac...on-started-birther-movement/story?id=42147995

    As we have written before, there’s no evidence that Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with bogus claims that Obama wasn’t born in the United States and thus was ineligible to be president.
    https://www.factcheck.org/2016/09/trump-on-birtherism-wrong-and-wrong/



    First, He did not say Trump started the lie, only that he promoted it. Which he did and then was forced to admit it wasn't true. That does not negate the OP and is a red herring.
    Secondly, It seems that your assessment may not be true and his may be.
     
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    I was never a fan, but he was extremely successful in leaving his legacy in the minds of many. It is entertaining to see birthers and collusionists pointing a righteous finger at one another.
     
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    Trump's legacy is clear. He made millions of Americans aware of the corruption of DC and the bias in the media that previous Republican Presidents would not fight.

    This is set in concrete. It cannot be undone, like Obama's failed legacy of Obamacare or Bush's tax cuts. It's set for this generation. Sure, liberal partisan hacks deny this, but this is Trump's contribution and legacy. Besides record low unemployment for minorities, which liberals screwed up by coordinating with the CCP to release COVID, their ridiculous anti-Christian, anti-small-business lockdowns, etc.

    If nothing else, Trump forced liberals into their own mythical scandal - Muh Rushan Clooshin. Which, for any honest person, was a clear a political scandal as Nixon's Watergate tapes.
     
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    We have seen the corruption and it's name is Trump.
    The failed legacy of Obamacare the despite all of Trump's efforts and his lack of an alternative is still going strong.
    Wait.......liberals and the CCP released COVID!! Who knew?!
    Lockdowns are anti-christian? Who knew? Were they pro .....any religion or just a persecution of christians? !!! AND they are anti small business?!! Who knew? Were they pro big business?
    Russia was and still is a big problem that Trump did nothing to alleviate.
     
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    The Donald is the preferred name I believe.
     
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    He will be remembered for destroying the US; The day he was elected the US died.

    He stands as proof that 40% of the country would install a dictator. The trump wing is an ongoing threat to national security. They have rejected American values for a two-bit con. They don't care about facts. They don't care about truth. They don't care about science or medical expertise or any expertise for that matter. They don't care about the moral high ground or decency. They believe in "win at any cost and by any means necessary". We have fought world wars to defeat what the trump wing stands for.
     
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    If it had just been that I wouldn't have said a thing about it. However the OP literally called him "it" multiple times throughout the post. As if he's not a human being.

    I actually agree that we shouldn't dehumanize people. Something the left espouses. But apparently that only applies to those they agree with now a days.
     
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    Said in a thread started by a leftist that can't even refer to Trump as "he" or "him" or anything else humanizing.
     
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    Said as several things that the left claimed about Trump has been determined to be simply BS. Russian collusion, clearing out layfette square for a photo op, calling white supremacists "fine people", never denouncing white supremacists... and on and on and on.
     
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    Okay. Point?
     
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    i don't think ms clinton ever sent a team to hawaii, claimed to have absolute proof that the birth certificate is fake, and , of course, never profuse the evidence.
     
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    Sleepy Joe and Crazy Nancy agree.

    Did you criticize Trump as well?
     
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    Your lack of understanding of why most people actually supported Trump the first round is very clear. I wonder why you feel that Conservatives don't have education, or attend libraries, or in general have a better grasp of the economy and what drives it then those who claim book learning makes them superior.

    You've posted your opinion more than once. We get it, you have a deep seated fear of anyone that doesn't fit a premade mold, yet you haven't investigated people's actual position regarding Trump. Why?
     
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    What failed response? Given the Helter skelter nature of the information he was getting from the CDC et Al. Exactly what was he supposed to do?
     
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    Trump tried to enlist Justice Dept. to overturn election, documents show

    Documents released by a U.S. congressional panel on Tuesday revealed new details of how then-President Donald Trump tried to mobilize the Justice Department last year to join his failed effort to overturn his election defeat based on his false claims of voting fraud.

    The House of Representatives Oversight and Reform Committee, which sought the records, outlined a series of overtures made by the Republican former president, then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and an outside private attorney, Kurt Olsen, pushing the department to act on Trump's claims.

    The department ultimately did not join the effort and numerous courts rejected lawsuits seeking to overturn election results in various states.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...mp-pressed-overturn-2020-election-2021-06-15/
     
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