Unarmed woman is shot by Police in Capitol. The People Who Scream ‘Police Brutality’ Don’t Care.

Why should Babbit be included in a full congressional inquiry?

Are you under the impression that there isn't already a BUNCH of investigations already happening regarding January 6?

 

The death of Ms Babbitt should be investigated by Congress to make sure that police officials did not neglect to hold the officer who shot her responsible for an unjust shooting should that be the case. As we all know, many unarmed suspects are shot all over America and the officers are often times let off the hook by interdepartmental revue boards and DAs who refuse to press charges..

I am not under the impression that there are several investigations in process however our Federal Law Enforcement officers are already stretched thin from having to track these animals down to bring them to justice. I think we need a full congressional open to the public investigation to look closely at the origins of this debacle so that we can prosecute those who hatched this scheme and those who incited them.

 

Do you also think that we need a full congressional investigation open to the public to look closely at the origins of last years debacle so that we can prosecute those who hatched these schemes and those who incited them?

 

Which debacle are you speaking of and what does it have to do with the topic of this thread? (Your thread)

You are obviously dodging my assertions regarding the killing of Ms. Babbitt and the insurrection at the Capitol where she was killed. You are the one who started this thread which is about the shooting of an unarmed woman at the Capitol riot. I gave my take on your OP and clearly explained my positions on the matter. You then ignored my comments and derailed your own thread by bringing in a totally unrelated issue in a feeble attempt to deflect from your own topic. You still have not commented on my remarks which directly responded to the OP. What’s up with that?

 

Alright then. I'm certainly open to the idea that a Congressional investigation is necessary, but only on the grounds that it includes OTHER political violence. And so I was just trying to see if you had a logically consistent position by asking if you also think that last year's political violence should be treated by Congress in the exact same way.

 

The two subjects are not “exactly” the same Chris. We know what caused the riots last year which occurred after the released tape of the murder of George Floyd. For years many Americans have been concerned and outraged regarding the treatment of back people by police agencies throughout this country. Since the time that cell phones and body cameras have been widely used to document these incidents more and more Americans have become incensed. The protests that occurred were a result of the last straw effect and the riots and looting occurred as a result of criminals, provocateurs and anarchists who used these protests as cover for their activities. There is no real mystery regarding how and why these riots started. The FBI and other state, federal and local law enforcement agencies have been investigating and arresting people involved since the outset.

The incident on January 6, 2021 is totally different and definitely warrants CONGRESSIONAL investigation because it was a direct attack on both houses of Congress itself. Angry mobs attacked our Capitol in a blatant attempt to stop them from executing their Constitutional duty which was to officially count the State Certified electoral college votes thereby officially declaring who will be the POTUS for the next four years.

There is prima facie evidence that members of Trumps campaign along with members of several white supremacist hate groups and some GOP congressmen engineered this event as a last ditch attempt to reverse the election in order for their regime to retain power even though they were voted out by the people of the USA. What happened on that day was a violent attack on our whole form of government. It definitely calls for an investigation which is open to the public and televised.

 

This is nothing more than a case for why the riots were justified. Well done!

Just like the protests that occurred on January 6, and the riots and looting occurred as a result of criminals, provocateurs and anarchists who used these protests as cover for their activities. There is no real mystery regarding how and why these riots started.

And for January 6, have the FBI and other state, federal and local law enforcement agencies NOT been investigating and arresting people involved from the outset?

All the more reason for any investigation being independent from Congress. Representatives and Senators who see it as an attack on them may not be able to think in an objective way!

And the human waste FAILED MISERABLY! It was all over in a matter of hours, order was restored and then Congress went back to work. The HUMAN WASTE was defeated by the mighty force of law enforcement, just like the HUMAN WASTE from last year's riots!

The last I checked, there is precisely ZERO evidence that GOP congressmen and members of Trumps campaign were involved. Are you promoting a conspiracy theory? Can you point to ANY sources to support this?

Exactly, "DAY!" What happened during MONTHS last year was a violent attack on our whole form of government. It definitely calls for an investigation which is open to the public and televised IF January 6 is treated the same way. Yet I suspect that you will not agree with this!

 

1) Riots, destruction, looting and personal assaults are never justified. However protesting our government or police agencies are perfectly justified and legal under our laws. I never once suggested that rioting, looting, destruction of private or public property is in any way justified. It is not.

2) The rally that was originally scheduled and permits were pulled for weeks after January 6, 2021. Then, Trumps campaign and legal team interacted with the organizers of the original rally to move the time and date to the exact time and date when the VP would be presiding over both houses of Congress to count the State Certified votes thereby officially deciding who would be POTUS for the next 4 years as per the US Constitution.

The angry mob which was invited to this rally by Trump and his minions and whipped into a frenzy then proceeded to storm the Capitol and stop the Constitutional process for over 8 hours as a result of their violent attack. They were threatening to hang the VP and kill the Speaker of the House, Trump did nothing for over an hour to call these rabid dogs off and when he finally did he told them he loved them and to remember this day forever. We need a full investigation into who organized this assault by changing the date and time and into exactly what Trump was doing and saying during the siege on the Capitol.

3) The FBI and other agencies are actively investigating, arresting and prosecuting people who were involved in the January 6, insurrection. However an open Congressional investigation with full subpoena power is needed to ascertain who organized this rally and what officials did during the riot.

4) I disagree. There were several investigations regarding Benghazi, a huge investigation into Whitewater, Watergate, Monica’s Lewinsky and Bill Clinton’s sexual escapades. This insurrection is far more important and should be thoroughly investigated by Congress in open session. Many Americans, myself included are concerned that those who organized and executed the attack may be inclined to repeat this type of attack only next time come armed with guns the next time they do not like the result of an election. There are still millions of delusional Trumpists who are armed to the teeth still out there screaming about stolen elections and such. Full open to the public Congressional hearings are needed to prevent these lunatics from rearing their heads ever again.

 

I disagree. I think that riots, destruction and looting is justified if a tyrannical government is violating the people's constitutional rights, as long as no innocent people and their
property are affected. Don't you agree? However, the riots, destruction, looting from last year were based on a LIE! Just like the Capitol riot was based on a LIE!

Fair enough. The way that you worded it made it seem that you were justifying the riots, because you linked them to people being "concerned and outraged regarding the treatment of back people by police agencies throughout this country", which is something which is good to be concerned about - that is, if black people actually ARE being hunted down by police and are shot by police more than whites, which they're not according to all available evidence.

I don't understand what you mean by "permits were pulled for weeks after January 6." Do you mean before January 6? I'm also not sure what you mean by "permits were PULLED."

Yes, that was the entire point of the rally. That doesn't mean that it was not a dumb rally of course - it most certainly was.

You seem to be under the impression that this "angry mob" was the entire crowd which was at the rally. It was a mostly peaceful protest! Mostly peaceful - does that ring any bells?

Yes, STUPID rhetoric, as he didn't separate the peaceful protesters from the human waste, but he also told them to
peacefully protest during the rally. Did you forget about that? Most likely you weren't even aware of it. Too much CNN for you perhaps!

What are you talking about? The changing of the date and time was the RALLY, not the assault!
And how in the HELL do you expect that it is possible to know what Trump was doing and saying during the siege on the Capitol?

You seem to be under the impression that RALLIES are illegal!

How did these scandals target Congress people? There is no conflict of interest here. Whereas January 6 targeted them.

Just like the insurrections from last year are far more important and should be thoroughly investigated by Congress in open session. Many Americans are concerned that those who organized and executed these attacks may be inclined to repeat these types of attacks, only next time come armed with guns the next time that a police officer kills a black person.

Just like there are still millions of delusional leftists who are armed to the teeth still out there screaming about systemic racism and police killing black people. Full open to the public Congressional hearings are needed to prevent these lunatics from rearing their heads ever again.

 

Very weak Pee Wee Herman type response Chris. (I know you are but what am I) The attempt to overturn the election by Trump, his “legal” team and his insane cultists throughout the period after he lost the election culminating in the debacle at the Capitol building on January 6, 2021 has absolutely nothing to do with the riots which occurred in the aftermath of the George Floyd murder videos being released to the public. The US Congress has voted to conduct a full wide spectrum congressional investigating the lead up to the violent attack, what happened during the attack such as the death of Ashlii Babbitt (which is the topic of this thread) and what Trump did or did not do to stop the attack while it was in progress.

If any or several congressmen wanted to present a bill to conduct a full and open congressional investigation into the events leading up to the riots last summer, I would be fine with it and I am sure such an idea would get Bi partisan support. However, not only did McConnell and the GOP refuse to even vote on a bill which would convene a bipartisan Senate investigation but now McCarthy is ordering all GOP Congressmen and women not to serve in the investigation.

 

It's VERY simple - the MONTHS LONG riots last year were far worse than January 6. You don't seem to acknowledge that.

 

I'm going to link a NYT video that uses a lot of "MAGA" created video, the whole video is a good argument that "the MONTHS LONG riots last year were far worse than January 6", is just not true. Individually, even cumulatively the 2020 riots didn't come close to the threat to life, property and certainly NOT to OUR Nation and OUR way of life, that the January 6th insurrection did; you're right I do not acknowledge the premise of your post I'm quoting.

But getting back to the OP, starting at min 27:10 through 28:42 it's pretty clear that the Babbitt shooting was justified. Members of Congress were actively being evacuated on the other side of that door. The windows had been broken, her fellow conspirators were yelling "there's a gun, he's got a gun", yet Ms Babbitt jumped up and tried to breach the door through the broken-out door window. At that point the officer shot her center mass executing his duty to protect the Congressmen and women from the insurrectionists. Those doors were the only thing separating the Congressmen and insurrectionists, she left him no choice. Her death is a terrible tradgedy, the whole day was; all premised on a lie by "the" man sworn preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Sad, tragically sad.

 

Agreed. And yet there is no eagerness by the Democrats to look into the 600+ armed and extremely violent riots by the left. Those BLM, antifa riots caused billions of dollars in damage, costs many lives, injured thousands of law enforcement officers, and we still have autonomous zones because of them.

Go ahead, investigate Jan 6th, cuz it's easy, since it was a one-off, a fluke, the one time we saw a riot that was not by Democrats and their supported groups. I'd really like to know why the capital police could not maintain order. But let's be real, the riot was unarmed, and once these people broke down that glass door and got inside, they didn't do much of anything at all, except wander the halls and commit some petty theft.

 

Well said my friend!

 

The 2020 riots didn't come close to the threat to life, property? Even though damage to property from the riots was over ONE BILLION DOLLARS and it led to MANY more deaths than the deaths on January 6 in which only rioters died as opposed to innocent people!

I agree, but six months on, this is irrelevant, because the investigation into the shooting has concluded and it found no wrongdoing. I created this thread on the 11th of January. The point that I was making was that it was WAY too early at that time to say whether this shooting was justified, however, there were LOTS of questions to be asked. The problem was, the useless LEFTIST media were not ASKING any of these questions, but they seemed perfectly capable of asking those questions with regard to George Floyd, Rayshard Brooks and Jacob Blake. So what was the difference here? The difference is pretty damn obvious! She was white and she had the wrong politics!

I see that they conveniently cut off Trump telling people to "PEACEFULLY assemble!" But I expect nothing more from the corrupt, leftist NYT, or the leftist mainstream media in general.

 

mike malloy makes a good case that trump is responsible for babbit's death

Mass Distraction - YouTube

jack chick, america's most popular evangelist artist makes a great case as well ........

 

I don't find anything funny about this, but I would like to see some documentation supporting your claims. And, becareful, much of the "violence" and carnage was instigated by right leaning White Supremicists and Militias or law inforcement.

https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/...supremacists-disguised-as-black-lives-matter/

https://www.pennlive.com/nation-wor...ys-george-floyd-protest-participants-say.html

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20200610/110775/HHRG-116-JU00-20200610-SD019.pdf

I don't think so. The whole nation watched in horror, real time, as the insurection unfolded. We all heard live the anger and death threats, we saw the violence and, as I remember it, there still was a great deal of shock, sympathy and saddness that Ms. Babbitt was killed; "her" anger, "her" violence precipitated "her" death; the Babbitt shooting can't be compared to the continual and pervasive killing of black Americans by the very people charged with protecting them.

OK, you have that point, but on the side of the mainstream media (does that include Fox) the general tennor of his more than 1 hour long speech was "fight like hell", only one sentence in one hour talked of peace.

 

And I'm sure that these jokers would ALSO say that Bernie Sanders is responsible for the Congressional baseball shooter, and that AOC is responsible for the ICE facility bombing.

 

Pretty damn insignificant.

"Police - not protesters - instigated violent clash at Saturday’s George Floyd protest, PARTICIPANTS SAY!"

Pretty damn insignificant. It seems to assume that any white person seen involved in the rioting was a far right white supremacist. Do you make the same assumption?

Do you actually think that these media sources back up your claim that "MUCH of the violence and carnage was
instigated by right leaning White Supremicists and Militias or law inforcement?" Surely you can't be serious!

Just like the whole nation watched in horror, real time, as the insurrection unfolded last year. We all heard live the anger and death threats, we saw the violence.

Anyway, what the hell does this have to do with why the media always ask questions in the aftermath of the shooting of unarmed black people, but not in the aftermath of the Babbitt shooting?

The justified or unjustified killing of black people by police?

Oh, so you take issue with politicians using "fight" in their speeches?

 

Looks like you're OUT!

 

You discount my links as insignificant that back up my claims and find them funny but you refuse to back up your claims with ... anything of any kind. I just supplied representative examples to show that much of the violence in the 2020 race riots were instigated by right wing extremists. I can supply more links to my claims, but you don't seem to be able to supply any to yours. Your claim of insignificance is just so much baloney. Do your research on the riots, not the peaceful demonstrations, and you will find that, like the assault on Michigan's Capitol or the murders by Kyle Rittenhouse and Steven Carrillo who killed policeman, the violence of 2020 was caused by gun toting right wingers.

https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/2021/02/michigan-attack/

https://www.leftvoice.org/a-right-w...esters-in-wisconsin-police-let-him-walk-away/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...right-wing-boogaloo-movement/?sh=4b1af77659bd

The reason you don't back up your claims is it's easy to find instances of Right Wing violence, but Left Wing ... not so much. And, I'm not saying there wasn't significant damage to property during the 2020 riots but, $Billions ... BS.

The difference between the deaths that were protested in 2020 and those of January 6 is obvious. January 6th should never have happened and wouldn't have if not for Benedict Donald's BIG LIE. And there was a lot of empathy and sympathy expressed for those deaths by the media, contrary to your opinion. People of color are all to regularly killed under questionable circumstances by the people charged to protect them; that was what was being protested after the murder of George Floyd.

I take issue with the tenor and purpose of the rally at the Ellipse, to say that because one sentence, that mentioned peace, in and hours long program that was otherwise designed to gin up angry emotion is most disingenuous.

 

Barr specifically questioned why the protesters were at the place where Donald would have his picture taken. The protesters were beaten away without warning within 10 minutes after that remark. These are the facts. So there is a clear link between peaceful protesters being beaten away and Donald's photo opportunity. All you got going is deliberately leaving out what Barr said to claim there is no link. So childish.

By the way....
Your claims that they were beaten away because they were violent, remains pure fiction.

 

They marched over peacefully. And then fought like hell or else lose their country, as recommended by Donald. You failed to prove he did not mean to fight like hell. Thanks for trying.

I did prove it's all rather interchangeable, since cops frequently change jobs to other police districts.

Point stands. They got no problem to gun down a fleeing black man.
A white fascists attacking cops didn't get shot.

 

Trump did not tell them to MARCH peacefully! He told them to "peacefully and patriotically make [their] voices heard!"

I never said that he did not mean it! He DID mean to fight like hell! He said it! You're confused!

My argument is that there is no typical police department. And you agree!

 

Quote what you think Barr said!