How Many Americans Were Saved by the Shutdowns & Social Distancing?

The left has become so radicalized that radical is their norm now.

 

There’s no doubt that the Democrat Party has drifted to the far left over the last few years. Farther than anyone expected.

 

I'm not sure I would say nobody is interested finding out. I would say that it's too early. People are still getting sick and dying from C19, not enough people are vaccinated, the Delta variant is running through the country, people are still unable to be with their loved dying in Hospice care, etc.. I don't see how anything compiled at this point would be reliable information.

 

Lockdowns and stay at home orders were destructive.

 

Oh! How DARE they expect a living wage!

 

And yet they have worked elsewhere

 

Farther, I think, than anyone even suspected. The crazy politicians don't trouble me so much, they will shift with the wind. The altered social structure and values bother me more.

 

They didn’t work here and that’s all that matters.

 

For a grocery sacker.

 

Even a grocery stacker can expect a minimum wage

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/

 

Probably because you had an idiot in charge of your national response. An idiot who was encouraging people NOT to comply and was holding superspreader events. - maskless non socially distant superspreader events. At the moment Sydney is in lockdown as of last night there were 77 cases and one death but we are contact tracing and hope to get that number back to zero soon

 

The US has a population greater than 300 million. many of them come from various parts of world. I could not care less about how a homogenous country smaller than several states handled it.

 

And yet our cities have a similar density of population to yours

And have you really really looked at those countries who have handled it best?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

We are not a homogenous population. We are the most racially and ethnically diverse nation on earth.

 

And they are getting it. You are saying a grocery sacker should be able to live on that low level salary. It's a scut job, entry level work. There are a lot of jobs like that.

 

It still should be a living wage - not a luxury life but rent and food

 

Don’t go there mate - my rural town has over 50 different nationalities and less than 30,000 people inluding multiple indigenous tribes who are culturally unique to each other

 

Most people in these jobs are living at home with mom and dad.

 

Please. You are a small sample.

 

The vast bulk of these procedures were elective. IIRC upwards of 85% of these procedures were benign in nature. And the reasons the time-sensitive ones were most often delayed were most often due to the patient having or thought to have been exposed to COVID, followed by the facility performing the surgery having no logistical ability to carry it out; ie hospitals being overrun, having no beds, supplies, staff, etc.

Far-right Facebook groups spread myths about millions of people dying because they couldn't get cancer surgery reverberate but in reality the critical procedures were still getting done when they could and the fact that necessary ones had to be postponed was and is just further proof that mask mandates and shutdowns were necessary to keep hospital occupancy down. So really, the answer to this question is part of the OP's question.

 

Unless you had the ability to know when someone in your household was going to become infectious before they showed symptoms then you were going to be exposed regardless of lockdowns. Or am I to believe that every person with a sick family member was going go get a hotel for the duration of the illness? Or, or, did the shutdowns prevent them from going to Home Depot to get materials for that biohazard containment addition they were always planning to build? C'mon fellas, when you're infectious you infect its just the nature of these kinds of illnesses. Better to infect your household, which was probably going to get anyways simply from being around you more than anyone else, than an entire grocery store or whatnot.

 

How do you know anything? Do you only believe what you are told or do you do actual checking?

 

Yes. That's what I've been hearing from various sources. I think the discrepancy is differentiating between what classified as "terminal" at that point in time and what would have qualified, but was unknown. For example, if someone was already on chemotherapy or dialysis (or similar types of critical treatments) BEFORE the lock-downs, it makes sense to prioritize them. Those stats should be easy enough to compile.

Where it gets convoluted:

People with questionable presenting symptoms that would have lead to further testing if known.
People in "the middle" of medical work-ups that weren't completed.
People with conditions that would have pointed to COVID, if tested (ie. heart problems).
There are many, many permutations for those types of things.

On the subject of "overrun" hospitals...I was in the hospital for 10 days last Summer. It was not related to COVID. I was put in a room for COVID patients (there was something in the window and some other stuff that stood out as different from other hospitalizations). The WHOLE time I was there, there was nobody else on the floor. A p/t came around to walk with me and I did not see anybody except staff. Granted, I live in a town with only one hospital so the chances of it being "overrun" was probably very small but I've been in the hospital at LEAST 80-90 times and I've never NOT seen other people around. It was creepy and weird. So, I think the concern of overrun hospital may be in more population dense areas.

 

In Florida it was the larger hospitals that got bad first, like really bad , like refrigeration trucks to hold corpses bad. And all the while the occupancy watches for hospitals around the start started to rise with the more rural areas rising at a slower rate which thankfully was the case considering how fewer overall beds smaller hospitals have. And we saw a reverse in terms of staff and supplies because the larger systems had greater stockpiles and larger staffing pools to draw on than the smaller systems most of which were exhausted instantly.

 

Relative to what you quoted - what is it you want me to check?