About the Holocaust

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  1. pitbull

    pitbull Banned Donor

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    The reason is quite simple. Germany lost WW2 while Communists didn't. So German atrocities are multiplied by the loser factor which is greater than 1.
     
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    Easy. Yours is.
    Hmm, why didn't the SS allow the Red Cross to visit the gas chambers . . . hmm, someone must have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
    Gas chambers were located in the east and primarily in occupied Poland.
    You're confusing physical evidence with fictional stories.
    I doubt any evidence would convince you otherwise.
    I watched the last Youtube video. The rest looked like bad fiction and I don't have much time for fiction.
     
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    Yes, we know. Leuchter is a fake engineer who never sold any execution equipment that he offered to various prisons.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_A._Leuchter

    Leuchter is simply a mo'fu**ing Holocaust denier. Just as his friend Germar Rudolf tried a similar fraud because Leuchter failed.
     
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    Marx was a Communist, and a lot of Communists were Jews in the Weimarer Republic: Judaism is communism.

    About Abe Lincoln being Jewish...
    https://www.barbrastreisand.com/news/abe-lincoln-jewish/

    Life in Germany before Hitler...
    https://christiansfortruth.com/how-...rmany-ensured-the-rise-of-national-socialism/

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), Nobel-Prize-winning novelist, historian and critic of Communist totalitarianism:

    “You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/communism-was-created-by-jews-and-serves-only-their-interests/
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    I am not affiliated with any group or party, I search on my own. Yes, it may look like I believe in some of what Hitler may have believed, but I am not consciously aware of that, nor do I know what Hitler really believed. My respect for Hitler comes from my parents who were simple peasants, poor and hardworking. They praised Hitler for his dedication to the betterment of the common worker's lot.
     
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    Your new "proof" is a Barbara Streisand site . . .
    And now an anti-Jew site.

    Oh boy what else.
    :censored:
     
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    I would say that there is a general belief in which many people believe in a grand Jewish conspiracy. Even Karl Marx believed in it. They believe everything they consider bad to be a Jew whether they were or not. So, if they lost their job because a company closed - it must be a Jew. If someone passes a law they don't like - it must be a Jew. Etc.

    So, it's not that Jews are bad, but rather that anything which is bad must be a Jew.
     
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    :censored:
     
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    This would get you laughed out of the debating hall. All you did was quote a mainstream source. The mainstream is a bunch of known liars.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798

    The truthers' argument is that the mainstream version is a lie. Just quoting from them doesn't address the argument.

    If I had been a sincere Red Cross inspector back then, I would have demanded to see everything. If there had been a place they wouldn't let me inspect, I would have mentioned that in my report.

    That is a good point but I think he would have mentioned it if he knew about it. This is only circumstantial evidence though. The physical evidence is what proves there were no gas chambers.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-91#post-1072768325

    This would get you laughed out of the debating hall.

    Go into some detail. Link to a site that refutes it satisfactorily. I've seen people try to obfuscate it and then consider it to be refuted but I've never seen it actually refuted. This can't be settled without looking at the details.

    This would also get you laughed out of the debating hall. If you're going to be against something, you should know what it is that you're against.

    This is the link I wanted to post in post #2304. I posted the wrong link.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-89#post-1072763242

    Just jumping up and down and screaming that he failed would get you laughed out of the debating hall too.

    (Watch this video from the 39:00 time mark to the 42:35 time mark.)
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...244077F34DC7445AEC83244077F34DC7&&FORM=VRDGAR

    He has some credentials.

    Germar Rudolf, interview by Jim Rizoli, Nov. 7, 2015
    https://www.altcensored.com/watch?v=LYAKGnFPZyQ


    You people don't use the scientific method*. If you don't use the scientific method, you can come to an erroneous conclusion. You've said some pretty lame things. Your attitudes don't fit the situation here.


    *
    https://www.google.com/search?q=sci...hUKEwjc2O_07eDxAhUCoVwKHRT8CRAQ4dUDCA4&uact=5
     
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    Why not? She is a decent, honest, Jewish lady! You better believe what she says!

    I think, you Americans just don't want to admit that you are being ruled by Jews --->
    "WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon October 3, 2001 (IAP News)"
     
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    You now want to deflect from calling what happened in Congress. You claimed the people who trespassed did not cause a seige to the Congress by callling the use of the word seige childish. Lol. Your entire response shows you have no idea what you were talking about when you tried to tell me seige could only be used in one context and then when provided the definition to show you that you were wrong you call that childish. You express a subjective opinion, i.e., "your highlighting synonyms and figurative language still does not even remotely describe what happened that day." is a subjective opinion. You can't deny how it can be used so you now deflect and express your subjective opinion as to how I should use the English language which is not just stupid but it shows when you get caught cherry picking a definition and get caught red handed double back down on the selective subjective comments. Instead of telling me how to use English, learn it yourself. Your attempt to limit how I and anyone else properly uses the English language because you have a limited and rigid ability to use words in sentences only reflects your own closed mind and illiteracy.
     
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    Oh it does. Anyone can read what I linked and what it says. The fact you now come back and say it makes no sense speaks for itself. You never read the link and you have no clue what economic policies are used in Iran and why.
     
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    You stated:

    "Oh, so now you do agree that socialists cause genocides."

    In not one word of my responses have I ever said the above but have responded to you explaining why the above comment is simplistic and stupid when you have used it. You again try deflect from what you said and can not defend by once again using a clumsy technique to try misrepresent what I actually wrote and its intellectually dishonest and pointless.

    You have utterly failed in your attempt to try debate me and blame all genocides on socialism. That exercise shows your inability to analyze actual political ideologies let alone how they are applied let alone how to use logic to make an argument.

    The statement "socialists cause genocides" is a moronic generalization. Millions of socialists have never caused genocides and millions of individuals and governments have had socialist regimes and never caused genocides. Canada has had numerous provinces have provincial governments that were socialist. Sweden has been socialist. The Uniteds Kingdom has been ruled by a socialist party and so has France. Denmark has been socialist since World War Two.

    To even persist with these inane stereotypes and generalizations simply shows that when you express your thoughts whether its to apply a word in a sentence or to express a political ideology, you must do so using illogical absurd rigid constructs that make no sense.

    You stated:

    "I, in no way, tried to trivialize the holocaust. Saying so is simply a lie."

    You listed a series of genocides, called them all socialist, then compared them by no. of dead. In so doing you necessarily trivialized them all and I clearly explained why. Its a fact. The words are there for all to see. Your lumping them all as socialist genocides, your attempt to engage people in debate as to what Hitler's ideology should be called, your comparing death amounts were all classic examples of trivialization.

    You stated:

    " I have always kept the same 6 million number most agree with. Understanding why and how certain types of governments commit democide is one of the keys to prevent future democide."

    Using the no. 6 million in itself does not prevent the trivialization, comparing the no. of deaths and calling all the genocides socialist did.

    You made an absolutely ridiculous statement:

    "Hitler did not murder people for being socialists, he murdered socialists who openly opposed him. Socialists murder other socialists all the time."

    It is historic fact now documented in public domain that Hitler arrested members of the Communist and Socialist party and had them exterminated or worked to death in concentration camps because it was their socialist or communisy views he opposed. Of course they openly opposed him. They openly opposed him because of their communist and socialist views not because they did not like his bad haircut. Can you just once read and edit what you blurt iout. If they hadn't had the views of being socialist or communist they would not have opposed him. How hard is that for you to grasp or at this point are you just arguing back for the sake of arguing?

    You stated:

    "It is very common for children who were abused by their parents to abuse their own children. Pointing this out is not victimizing them. Israel has, in fact, created a set of laws which favor those of one race over another."

    The first sentence again makes no sense. The method in which abuse repeats itself is not what makes it abusive, its the matter in which it is explained and the context in which it is presented. If you explain to a child in a specific manner how behaviour can repeat itself that is one thing. You went on and you do it again to state: "Israel. has in fact created a set fo laws which favour one race over another". That very sentence reflects your ignorance of how the laws of Israel operate and how they are applied.

    There have been numerous threads that point out the law of return allowing expedited eligibility for Israeli citizenship is in fact the only law that might be applied differently to Jews than it would be non Jews no differently than with over 125 other countries that have the same law. The fact you do not understand that speaks to your ignorance. So does your complete lack of awareness of the democratic legal rights of non Jewish Israeli citizens and how those laws work. What makes your comments even more absurd is that you define Jews as a race which is a Nazi description of Jews. We Jews have never been a race. Race is a subjective description of secondary genetic characteristics such as skion colour, nose shape, hair texture, eye shape. It was dismissed as irrelevant in science years ago. The fact you still use it to describe Jews simply shows your ignorance as to how the collective identity of Jews is in fact defined by Jews.

    Finally on the West Bank Israeli citizens are placed under Israeli state laws but non Israeli citizens are governed under a military governor. That in fact is an example of separate legal systems and in that situation, Palestinians and Israelis for that matter see it as problematic to a long term peaceful solution.

    If there was to be peace, there would need to be a second Palestinian state other than Jordan on the West Bank. That is impossible because at the current time the ideology of Hamas and the PA is to demand a Muslim majority state where Israel is now.

    You also clearly do not understand the concept of Jewish nationality expressed through the Israeli state. One does not have to be a Jew to be an Israeli. Israel is the home of the Bahaii faith's major Temple. It has Bahaiis, Muslims, Christians, Jews who may or may not practice Judaism and if they do in highly different ways.

    I am getting tired in pointing out basic knowledge to you. You make no effort to research a thing you write about. Try.
     
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    The above is a classic case of holocaust revisionism and trivialization. Instead of lecturing people on the origins of the holocaust be quiet and go educate your self. Anti-semitism was the primary cause of the genocide of Jews. Policies that could define certain humans as less than human was the next primary cause. If you can't grasp those two basic points, try once to stop posing about a time of history you do not understand and go research it. You embarass yourself when you make such nonsensical comments.
     
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    I use the legal method, in which the testimony of proven criminals is given a certain weighting. The testimony of a proven Holocaust denier has almost no evidential value in discussions about the Holocaust.

    That's not lame, bro. It's rational. It just doesn't make sense to refute liars who have already been refuted.
     
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    Facts trump testimony.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-90#post-1072764021
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-91#post-1072768325

    Those people were obviously part of the scam as what they say doesn't fit the facts.

    This is just empty rhetoric. His findings were confirmed by a guy with some serious credentials.

    I'd like to hear Death's view on this post.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-93#post-1072773969
     
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    You prefer Barbara Streisand's site instead? :D
     
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    As usual, your post is only empty rhetoric. You're not going to sway any thinking people if you don't even address the evidence presented by the truthers.

    I'm going to check out this forum. Thanks for posting it.
    https://rodoh.info/forum/
     
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    Yep, there many lies spread by academic eggheads. Here are different one:
    Germany lost WWII
    Germans were forcibly expelled from Poland, Soviet Union and Tzechslovakia
    Communists killed innocent people
    There was a battle for city of Staligrad were Germans were defeated
    The earth is not flat
    President Trump lost election
    There was a slavery in the US.

    WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR TRUTH!!!!
     
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