Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House

Putin is evil. I hope you don't still support him.

 

It won't stop until they have turned this country into Cuba. And that is not a snarky comment, that is the truth. Do they realize what they are doing? No. Just like Castro and Guevara didn't realize what they were doing. They thought they were enlightened freedom fighters. The hubris of intellectuals and liberals is astounding. What is the definition of insanity?

 

I can agree with that on a certain level.

But perspective is important... so tell me why you think Putin is evil.

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I don't know how anyone could believe that documents could actually be leaked from the Kremlin. At least I found out where the OP idiocy came from, it came from the Russophrenic Guardian. I should have suspected.

They're probably upset that Britain was foiled by Russia in the Black Sea and that any wrong move on its part, will send Britain from here to Kingdom come, so the Guardian decided to go back to its usual depravity.

Here's the Kremlins response.

Moscow has reacted furiously to a series of claims, backed up with anonymous and unverifiable sources, that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his security officials to support Donald Trump’s campaign to become US president.

In comments made exclusively to RT on Thursday evening, Putin’s spokesman slammed the report, published in the UK’s Guardian newspaper earlier that day.
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This is from Dmitry Peskov:

“This is total fiction. Strictly speaking, it is complete nonsense. Of course, this is the hallmark of an absolutely low-quality publication. Either the newspaper is trying to somehow increase its popularity or is sticking to a rabidly Russophobic line.”

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The irony is... nothing is more "Russophobic" than Putin constantly glorifying Stalin.


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I don't think so, nor do the Russian people. Sounds like projection to me


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Like all Trunt supporters do? Knowingly or not - they do...

 

That's the one thing that just blows my mind. As little as 10 years ago, both Liberals and Conservatives could agree to the dangers of Russia to the US under Putin, but now, like that freaky flashy thing from Men In Black that wipes people's memory, many of the minion have no recollection of those times or reasons.

It's for this reason I find it's important to include photographs whenever possible.



Now start reading from the top again to understand why you're staring at the screen.

 

It's all a matter of perspective.

Name something Putin has done which the U.S. hasn't done?

 

Repeatedly glorified church-destroying mass-murdering marixst Stalin.

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U.S. did that throughout WWII. Go back to WWII propaganda during WWII.

Swish and miss.

 

In fact, the NYT did that before WWII as well.

 

I know this...

Shortly after Hitler began liberating Russians from marxism and even before the USA officially entered the war... FDR began sending Stalin lend-lease aid including lots of military hardware [planes, tanks, trucks, etc] which totaled over 11 billion dollars.

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In his famous April 1917 WW1 speech to Congress, President Wilson praised revolutionaries who a few weeks before had deposed Russia's 900 year old Christian monarchy and imprisoned Russia's tsar and family. Wilson called the revolutionaries America's "partner"


"Dee-Lighted!" - marxist/bolshevik cartoon published in the U.S. in 1911





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Robert-Minor-Dee-Lighted-1911.png


Cartoon by Robert Minor [marxist who was later arrested in Tsarist Russia for revolutionary activities] in St. Louis Post-Dispatch (1911).

Karl Marx surrounded by an appreciative audience of Wall Street financiers: John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, John D. Ryan of National City Bank, and Morgan partner George W. Perkins. Immediately behind Karl Marx is Teddy Roosevelt, leader of the Progressive Party.

Notice the flags on NYC buildings that say RED


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Wow, if this all pans out as true, what a BOMBSHELL! There was apparently quite a bit of material in this unusual leak, as well as another one, which intelligence agencies, the Guardian says, have been examining for some time now (the article doesn't mention how the info got leaked to The Guardian). But I strongly recommend that everyone read the linked Guardian article. There are a wealth of details not excerpted for the OP. And as amazing as all this is, there are also numerous endorsements from quoted experts, on the apparent genuineness of the documents. It is known for certain, at least, that a meeting did take place, at the time & place that the documents indicate.
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An official photo of the occasion shows Putin at the head of the table, seated beneath a Russian Federation flag and a two-headed golden eagle. Russia’s then prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev, attended, together with the veteran foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov.

Also present were Sergei Shoigu, the defence minister in charge of the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency; Mikhail Fradkov, the then chief of Russia’s SVR foreign intelligence service; and Alexander Bortnikov, the boss of the FSB spy agency.Nikolai Patrushev, the FSB’s former director, attended too as security council secretary.

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The official Kremlin line, however, is that this meeting was about other topics.

 

You should break down & actually check out this link-- it is worth reading, in order to properly assess the info.

 

You should really read the articles and history written at that time. They really made Stalin look like a saint.

Truthful, kind, compassionate, honest, etc. people tend not to obtain power. The primary way to combat this is to give all individuals as much freedom as possible.

 

Yes, and it was giving the Russian's explanation of the subject matter of the meeting. This is the meeting, however, according to the leaked documents, in which supporting Trump was the actual focus. All that can be said for certain, is that a meeting of all these top officials took place.

 

Can you offer any argument to back up that, "certain," conclusion?

 

Clearly, you're approaching this with an open mind...

 

My mind is very closed on this issue thanks to the Democrats.

 

Do you have a link to any of that info?. I'd like to see that disgusting BIG LIE marxist propaganda.

In the early 1930s... Stalin totally destroyed Russia's largest church, Moscow's Church of Christ the Saviour [so he could build a huge tower of the soviets with a statue of Lenin on top.] Thank God, Hitler prevented Stalin from building that antichrist abomination... and the Church of Christ the Saviour was rebuilt on that same spot an exact duplicate of the original church in the 1990s. Stalin also wanted to destroy historic iconic St Basil's! Stalin mass-murdered Russian farmers during his evil collectivization of family farms. This caused a famine in Russia so Stalin stole Ukrainian harvests [even stole food from inside Ukrainian homes] some of which Stalin sold abroad which caused millions of Ukrainians to stave to death. Contrast that with what Hitler did in Germany... Hitler praised German family farmers ["blood and soil"] as the lifeblood of the German people and enacted a law to protect German family farms by making sure they were inherited within those German farming families.

Shortly after Stalin died... Soviet rulers conducted a "de-Stalinization" of Russia [removing Stalin's body, statues, etc.] It makes absolutely no sense to me why Putin would want to resurrect Stalin who wasn't even Russian! Stalin was an evil mass-murdering NON-Russian, NON-Slavic abomination !!

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@Lucifer , @fmw , @joesnagg , @Hoosier8 ,@Matthewthf, @10A

Here is the link from the other thread on this topic, under Current Events which, for some reason, has been locked to any new replies. Anyway, this Yahoo News article is rather skeptical of the Guardian's claims; so I thought it important to present this other perspective. If this, "leak," turns out to be a bust-- and from what I've so far gleaned from the Yahoo article, there are some Russian grammatical errors (which I'm sure exist in our own secret documents, as well, so this is not definitive proof)-- the Guardian will have completely lost credibility, in my eyes. (Thank goodness for the Washington Post).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kremlin-leak-appears-confirm-existence-103305577.html

 

@cristiansoldier posted this, at the other thread:
I would advise everyone to be very skeptical about this story. For starters the leak come from the Kremlin. Why would someone in the Kremlin want to leak this for what gain? You think Trump wanted to be tough on leakers, what do you think Putin would do to them? Russia gains immensely from this story. It serves to widen the political divide in this country and created greater animosity and distrust among the populace. A result that would make Putin very happy. So lets be smart and not become Russian puppets. They are enough homegrown reasons to not like Trump.
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You make a very good case. Not airtight, though. There is always the possibility, at any rate, of someone with a private motive, willing to take a huge risk. But more likely, you are correct.


P.S.-- On top of reopening American scars, this would also be a way to discredit the U.K.'s Guardian News (see my last post). Though I don't know how big a deal that would be.

 

I agree. I don't think it is impossible just unlikely.