The Vaccine Refusers Are Causing Lasting Material Damage To America!

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  1. JimfromPennsylvania

    JimfromPennsylvania Active Member Past Donor

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    It is heartbreaking to hear about all those people in America intentionally choosing not to take the pandemic vaccine! They are really letting down America besides the loss of life the other really terrible thing about the pandemic is how it is hurting the economy and the functioning of our society the longer this disease has a stranglehold over America the longer the nation will continue to incur major losses with businesses not being able to function properly even in some cases being permanently shuttered and individual Americans having the ability to make a living for themselves and their family being dramatically harmed! The stakes here for the country are enormous and the nation is now in a state where the significant numbers of Americans refusing to get vaccinated so the country can reach strong herd immunity and be done with the onerous restrictions like mask wearing associated with the pandemic provides the nation's authorities with the moral justification to take very aggressive steps to bring about people doing their civic duty and getting vaccinated unless they have a valid medical reason not to! The government should mandate that health insurance companies calculate the enormous medical costs on them brought about by enrollees and their family being admitted into the hospital with the Covid 19 disease and who were not vaccinated and mandate that the insurance companies pass this cost onto unvaccinated enrollees in the form of higher health insurance premiums; what is fair is fair if you're being recalcitrant in not getting the vaccine you can pay for the cost that this wrongful action of yours is causing society - hospital administrators are telling us that like ninety plus percent of the admissions with Covid 19 are from people that were not vaccinated. States should mandate that for children to be able to attend school they need to receive the Covid 19 vaccine unless they have a Doctor's note saying that they have a good medical basis for being excused from getting the vaccine (for the age group eligible for the vaccine), state's mandate the measles's vaccine and the polio vaccine state's do it because they don't want these diseases spreading in schools well they shouldn't want the Covid 19 spreading in schools either so they should take this reasonable step to stop the spread!

    What really gets me sick to my stomach is all these right wing talk radio hosts and right wing cable news hosts condemning state and federal authorities for initiating and running programs where they send staff to people's individual homes advocating for the residents of the home to get their pandemic vaccine. These hosts paint these efforts as something out of the George Orwell novel "1984" about a dark futuristic world where the government does constant surveillance of their citizens when they label these efforts as "Big Brother is watching you" efforts; or these hosts try to tarnish these efforts as HIPAA violations, the law which mandates personal health information be kept private! These hosts and the producers of these programs and the authorities that control these media outlets are behaving like sleazy, selfish Americans who chase ratings at the expense of the well-being of the entire country, shame on you and if you keep it up I hope the stain on your reputation lasts a long time!
     
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    Chrizton Well-Known Member

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    Just suspend any government benefits to anyone not vaccinated. These democratic hold outs need a fire under their butts.

    "As of July 4, the country was just shy of reaching President Biden’s goal of having at least 70% of adults vaccinated with one or more doses of the COVD-19 vaccine, with 67% of the population 18 years of age or older receiving at least one dose according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). While this represents a marked achievement and is leading to steep declines in COVID-19 cases and deaths, vaccination coverage—and the protections provided by it—remains uneven across the country. In particular, Black and Hispanic people have had persistently lower rates of vaccination compared to their White counterparts across most states. These lower vaccination rates leave Black and Hispanic people at increased risk for infection, illness, and death, particularly as new variants, like the Delta variant, spread." https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-cov...data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
     
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    I don't believe that anyone should be forced to take the vaccine. But I also don't believe that the country should continue to face problems with schools and businesses being shut down. Open everything up - let people take off their masks. Everywhere. The sorting of the vaccinated and the unvaccinated will take care of itself. Sounds heartless, I know, but when we have a solution and people refuse it, we can't pander to their safety and health forever.

    For those who don't believe the virus was as deadly as reported, you will be proven right or wrong - it matters little to me. For those who suggest the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease, you will be proven right or wrong - it matters little to me. What does matter is that this country gets back up on its feet and moves forward.
     
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    The virus, as reported, is NOT particularly deadly. If your healthy and you get covid you will be fine in a VAST majority of cases.
     
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    Gotta love it, two posters who would GLADLY piss away the Constitution and the rights it enshrines to force Americans to take an experimental, yeah, EXPERIMENTAL vaccine, and also violating both the Nuremburg Code AND the UN Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights. Yet asking for ID to vote is the epitome of Fascism.....hypocrisy, much?
     
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    LOL. Experimental seems to be working. The only people who are dying now of COVID are the trumpers and other idiots who haven't taken the shot. When the penalty for failure is death the non vaccers are pretty stupid.
     
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    I'd like to see that as an eventual step but first I'd like to try going the other way with incentives. Pay people to get vaccinated. Give tax breaks to businesses that will reward vaccinated employees as well.
     
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    This simply isn’t true.
     
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    Well this basically very bad flu sure has brought out all the authoritarians. Some want to force people to take an unapproved experimental treatment never before used on humans with known % death rate. Some want to control others because they are afraid of healthy people that have are not part of this massive experiment. They even think these treatments make them immune to the virus which isn’t true. They even want people that have already had Covid to get this treatment even though they already have better immunity than those that got the jab.

    The only thing they have accomplished is to ruin a healthy economy based on placebos that are not backed up by science. 15 days to flatten the curve turned into a fest of ongoing fear mongering which I believe some like more than they enjoy life.
     
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    All you have is fear mongering and no proof other than propaganda you want to believe.
     
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    Robert W. Malone, inventor of mRNA.

     
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    Guess you're a closet :censored: at heart....what I see posted here frightens me more than any virus that'll EVER pop out of a bats ass!!!
     
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    I actually like this very much. Let the people decide for themselves. You can’t force a free people to put a foreign object into their body’s. We have laws and a constitution.
    But, if I don’t want to listen to experts or wish to get sucked into the world of the non believers, the nuts and kooks who come up with some reason why if we get the shot we will die in two years (The Gates Theory)
    Or we can’t have children. Or we will grow another sex organ. Let them be free to choose, but also be free to suffer the reality of the covid virus.
    I’ve know people who have died. I know people who have recovered. I know people who are recovering but have lingering conditions. Most everyone had a choice to make. No one was forced as I know.
    So let it happen. Some gonna die, plenty perhaps. But as long as they are happy with their decisions....so be it.
     
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    Let those taking the experimental treatment to suffer their decision too. Hopefully they were fully informed before getting the shots but I doubt it. There is a reason Pharma demanded immunity before they would produce the treatments. They already knew many of the side effects it could produce including death.
     
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    Reported deaths now over 11,000. Graph is behind the curve.

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    I'd like to see (unlikely) a graph showing the number of SERIOUS MEDICAL side effects, something that's been studiously unspoken...I'm talking life-altering, not a "sore arm or headache".
     
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    Absolutly 100%. It’s all about personal choices. Don’t want govco making the decision for me. I’ll make my own.
    As with any medicine or any other foreign entity we put in our body’s there may be issues. My choice, your choice.
     
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    Vaccines should not be government mandated. It should be an individual's decision in consultation with their physician and their loved ones.
     
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    That can be a reasonable position.

    Its also a reasonable position to require vaccine for people before they work in public hospitals, schools , and positions and jobs that can infect others like food prep etc
     
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    I don't disagree, if your employer requires you to be vaccinated to work there, it's your choice to get the vaccine or change jobs.
     
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    That's why the COVID Pandemic has alot more sickness and death yet to go.

    I keep my stock of 3 rolls of 36 Costco of TP and 5 cases of canned chicken and other goodies going.

    I see the COVID bug just building its tricks up as half of everyone are a fertile fields
    as COVID picks 5 million human locks (and a number of animal hosts) daily tries to decode the genomes that allows COVID to reach its Promised Land of a Human in Every Pot!
     
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    Seriously, thanks for this image. I cannot shake it fast enough.
     
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    WHY DO SOME MISTRUST THE VACCINES?
    180 degree turns aren't great for their credibility.
     

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