It's the communism, stupid! Biden's White House finally identifies Cuba's true problem

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    So you don't know what communism is.
    And since you have posted about it quite frequently it follows that you don't know what you are talking about
     
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  2. yabberefugee

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    you asked the question so apparently you don't know. I would just like to know the brand of Communism that Aleksander wants to try. It all ends up in a totalitarian state anyway. Only Karl Marx knows the answer.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, I'm less moderate than a little radical, but very Bidenesque generally. I think most people follow common sense but realize positions on what that is vary considerably. I'm flattered you think i'd be a typical New Yorker, I find them sophisticated if sometimes contentious
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I don't want to try any brand of communism. I'm a Capitalist as modified from Adam Smith by MMT

    What brand of Capitalism do you follow?
     
  5. Thingamabob

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    You are not being clear. Cuba, USA, opposition, government oppression, individual liberty ..... You haven't made any point yet. Whose opposition to whose government? Whose individual liberty to whose country? You might be saying American's opposition to US oppression to American liberties or Cubans opposition to American oppression of Cubans liberty ... or anything at all.
     
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    What sort of "substantial evidence" do you require? National honesty is the result of social culture. You are much less likely to cheat on your taxes if your income (despite tax percentages) affords you a pleasurable life. You are less likely to rob banks and homes if you lack nothing of importance. You do understand what I am saying, right?
     
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    For those of you in the peanut gallery reading this, "MMT" is the latest fad becoming very popular on the Left that basically says government can print lots of money and it won't cause inflation.

    It's being embraced by those who are anxious for government to spend lots more money. "Free money without limits" - that sort of mentality.

    (I personally think it is utter BS, as discussed thoroughly several times in the Economics & Trade section of this forum)

    From what I've seen, most of those on the Left supporting this are mildly intellectual but wacky, and are mild Socialists (somewhere in between moderates and hard-line Socialists). The extremists wouldn't have any qualms about just jacking up the taxes to pay for everything they want to spend.
     
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    Up until some years ago, Sweden was Scandinavia's "Big Brother" in the sense that the Swedish economy was superior (on one hand) and that prices in Denmark (in particular) were substantially lower. This meant that we often dashed over to Denmark for some big-time shopping/spending and it left a bad taste in the mouths of the Danes whether it be jealously or Swedish snobbishness (real or imagined). The animosity was real and I was periodically confronted by Danes who took it out on me personally which (in itself) indicates it was more a feeling of jealousy than anything else. The economic/purchasing situation is no longer valid so I can assume that narration from your "Danish Tanta Betty" was some time ago. I don't really want to get too political here but since Olaf Palme's assassination Sweden's Socialist-Democratic governing has been destroyed and I honestly do not recall the last time I heard any Danish complaints about Sweden except that we are too soft on immigration. I live very close to Denmark and the pulse between the two nations is ever-present.

    On the subject of morality. If a man and a woman want to have a romp, whose business is it to say it's wrong? The bible basher? It has to be a ha-ha though because during the period I mentioned the only place outside of Amsterdam that was so saturated with "in your face" prostitution was Copenhagen. As a matter of interest, prostitution is now illegal in Sweden (well prostitution itself is not illegal but paradoxically paying for their services is) and although I don't know what Denmark's laws are on prostitution I can now see that it is much more descrete.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Call me an extremist then, I have no problem with heavy taxation of those who can well afford to pay. I update Huey Long, A billion dollars is quite enough for any one man
     
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    You are free to believe anything you want, even claims about US being a communist country. If Mark Levin says so, then it must be so.
     
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    Democratic socialism = Socialism achieved by democratic elections.

    There are two paths to socialism: Violent revolution and Democratic elections

    It doesn't matter how you get there, when the end result is same. If Sanders is selling Nordic style "Social Democracy", then he needs to say so. Words have a meaning, and Sanders has millions of people saying "socialism" while meaning "social democracy". Republicans are not lying when they call him a socialist, because he calls himself as such.
     
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    Its the same EXACT propaganda that they have believed since the end of WW-II. People will support anything (even war) when they are convinced the enemy is at the door. Its the very foundation of the "commie under every bed" propaganda.

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    If you don't support it, then why do you keep voting for it?
     
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    No idea what you are referring to so can't comment
     
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    Very True - and an age old tactic which started long before Adolf - although used with great effect by him -- and Stalin. The use of fear of an external threat (or internal for that matter) - to get the poeple to trade away liberty.

    All this "Domestic Terrorism" rhetoric is going to be used to justify maintaining the surveilane state. NSA was created in the 50's to spy on foreign enemies ... not on us - as if we are the enemy. 4th ammendment is in the toilet and the main founding principle being violated.. "respect for essential liberty".

    Ben - "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither"

    Big Brother is here. fuh real - just a they are removing 1984 from the curriculum go figure. - and censoring all kinds of other material - go figure ..
     
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    Levin is a scum bucket - and gets lots of stuff wrong - makes false conclusions - albeit he is somewhat learned.
     
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    True - Yes - Correct - Accurate.
     
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    How do you find those enemies (like Al Qaeda) if they have infiltrated in the US population?

    Sure, but do you know what he was referring to?
     
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    Wouldn't that then be the basis for.....gasp..... white supremacy? The irony....
     
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    Right, they are not talking about Cuba or Venezuela systems.
     
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    That my friend is the main argument - "fear of an external threat" to justify giving up liberty" Trade liberty for "security"

    The risk of harm from "Terrorism" in the US - is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "Walking" - and to me this is not sufficient risk of harm for me to give up liberty.
     
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    For sure .. 100% - just did not want folks to think Joe was acting in isolation - came out of a vacuum so to speak. McCarthy - as did Trump - took advantage of the propaganda tropes of the day .. just like what is happening under Biden ... however we have never really lost the commie scare narrative .. but it has really ramped up under Biden .. no protection we are getting from the transition into Orwellian hell.. and the sheep are silent.
     
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    Assange is being made example of - they can get you wherever - however - and keep you as long as they want without trial - for revealing the crimes of the US Gov't.
     
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    and of course he might say the same about you......stalemate
     
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    And likewise, you are free to believe anything you want......it is when the government and media want to censor I have a problem.
     

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