Race and Crime

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Conservative Democrat, Jul 25, 2020.

  1. Mircea

    Mircea Well-Known Member

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    Why did you fail to post data from the US Census Bureau?

    Is it because Haitians -- who are Black -- out-perform American Blacks on every level including education, income and home-ownership?

    Is it because Jamaicans -- who are Black -- out-perform American Blacks on every level including education, income and home-ownership?

    Is it because the real African Americans....the ones who actually came from Africa and who are Black, out-perform American Blacks on every level including education, income and home-ownership?

    Explain how Africans can get off the boat, get a job, buy home and put their kids through college, but Black Americans cannot?

    Actually, that's easy. Culture. Black American culture is toxic.
     
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    What is toxic about Black American culture?
     
  3. Conservative Democrat

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    My argument explained why the two civilized races have much lower crime rates than Negroes, even when whites and Orientals are poor. Yours did not. Those who blame the high black crime rate on white racism cannot explain why black crime has risen since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed into law. My argument does explain why. When blacks lost their fear of whites, they felt free to indulge in their criminals impulses.
     
  4. notme

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    Stanford University used the data from almost 100 million traffic stops by law enforcements.
    You're just being dishonest about it. It's all you can do.
     
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    Uh... hang on. I proved systemic racism happens with 6 sources.
    And your questioning doesn't put a dent in that, champ.
     
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    Actually, it doesn't invalidate what you posted, but it DOES put a dent in it.

    What alternative explanation do you have for why immigrants who are black do better than home born people who are black? should they not both be hit with the same systemic racism against black people that you posted about with your 6 sources?

    It is a fair question. The answer may be that these immigrants come with more money, come with a different attitude, or are hit hard by systemic racism but just not as phased by it. Mircea didn't give the comparisons between these immigrant black people and white people (or say, immigrant white people).
     
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    I am coming across this argument in the middle, but what I emboldened, in your reply, I think is one of the smoking guns, in @Mircea 's attack on @notme 's argument. It has already been shown, I believe, that there are a good number of other countries whose populations test better than Americans generally, indicating that people from those foreign systems have better public educations than do we. So what Mircea would need do, to prove his point, would be to show a comparison of say, white French immigrants vs. white Americans (which, granted, does not exist, because it would smack of racism), and then look at black French immigrants, compared to black Americans.

    But to move from the hypothetical, to an a tangible distinction which explains why Haitians or Jamaicans, etc., in their home countries, would NOT experience RACISM, obviously, because those are BLACK-MAJORITY COUNTRIES.

    Look for a comparison of black people, with Haitian parentage, living in the Dominican Republic, vs. black Americans. Again, I doubt such data is available, but because the Dominican racism against Haitian blood is greater than American racism-- the D.R. recently changed its constitution so as to deprive people w/ Haitian parentage (even on one side), who'd been born in the D.R., and were legally citizens-- of their sole citizenry status, which is in violation of international law, and has been deporting them to a country (Haiti) where many have never been, have no known family, and do not speak the language. Even more have "self-deported," because of the public violence directed against them, ignored by authorities, including lynching them in public, city parks, and ransacking & burning their homes. (In one article I read, an official suggested that the Haitians might be burning down their own houses-- not for insurance money).
     
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  9. Mircea

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    And I disproved it, because if systemic racism existed, then Black ethnic groups could never excel.
     
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    List all the successful cultures that:

    1) Glorify violence;
    2) Treat thugs and murderers as gods;
    3) Treat men who have the most "baby mamas" as heroes;
    4) Condone and protect drug-trafficking and drug-use
    5) Defy all authority at every turn;
    6) Hinder police investigating the murder of Blacks;
    7) Attack non-conforming members as "race traitors";
    8) Attack their own members seeking self-improvement as "acting White";
    9) Lay blame on everyone and everything except themselves;
    10) Refuse to assimilate.

    We'll wait while you list them, because it'll be a short-list: Exactly ZERO.

    What's odd about Critical Race Theory is it likens Blacks to "American Indians" (their term, not mine.)

    What do Blacks and American Indians have in common? They both refuse to assimilate.

    The refusal of Blacks to assimilate is hysterically amusing.

    We can't give our kids White names, because that's "acting White" and assimilating.

    Maybe if Blacks had assimilated and acted White, they'd realize that Jamal et al is a White name, specifically White Muslim Arabs who initiated the African slave trade circa 800 CE and continued it for more than 1,000 years and then 600 years after starting the African Slave Trade it was Muslim Arabs who introduced it to it to the Portuguese and Spanish in the 1400s.

    Does anyone not see the futility of refusing to name their children Tom or Mary because those were White slave-owner names and then naming their children Jamal or Tanisha after White Muslim Arabic slave-owners and traders?

    That's obtusely rich.
     
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    That doesn't follow. Just because there is a barrier doesn't mean one can't surpass it.
     
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    Do you think their names cause them to be held back in society? Do you think its ok to hold somebody back in society because of their given name?
     
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    You MUST be joking! The U.S. culture doesn't glorify violence? LOL! Play a video game or watch a movie, sometime; blowing somebody's head off, is considered far less objectional, here, than "blowing" someone's "head" off. Or even than full nudity or homosexual kissing.

    And the Roman Empire didn't glorify violence? Or they weren't successful? Get a clue.

    Did you never hear of the Opium Wars? In short, they had to do with the ENGLISH, who had the most successful Empire, ever, even w/out considering the tiny size of the island from which they created and ran it-- and who, the last I checked, were most decidedly white-- wanted to ship Opium from their colony of India, to their subjected region of China. The Chinese didn't like that it was turning so many of them into addicts, so fought back, but lost. So Great Britain kept up its profitable drug trade.

    Your list, besides being full of unsupported, & unsupportable, racial smears, demonstrates a very lacking knowledge of history, on your part. Just based on the length of their existence, w/out mentioning the not insignificant influence in the world, they currently wield, the Hebrew/Jewish culture would fit in with your items related to, "assimilation," which is a big part of why they were persecuted in Europe, for many, many centuries, long before the Holocaust.

    It is clear what motivates your argument, and it is not intellectual integrity, and a pure love of pursuing truth.
     
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    Sadly USA has a very long tradition of disregarding Human Rights. Genocide of Native Americans, Slavery, Genocidal was in Philippines, Korea, Southeast Asia.
     
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    An average 30 yo East European living in 1995 was eight times as likely to be a criminal as a 30 yo East European living in 1985.

    An average 30 yo East European living in 1995 was twenty times as likely to be a criminal as a 30 yo East European living in 2021.

    All poor people and people suffering crises are likely to become criminals.
     
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    John McCain did not become a killer because of his English DNA.

    Even though British Empire committed many genocides, blaming a whole race is wrong.

    John McCain was taught to value obedience more then his life -- thus he did not refuse orders which lead to civilian deaths.
     
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    Maybe they do, maybe they do not. It remains research from a highly qualified organization.
    Your opinion simply doesn't matter, if you question if their research is good.

    And so my sources stand, that I proved systemic racism exists in the US, with 6 sources.
     
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    This is clearly a bogus theory. First note that that a criminal's chance of dying, due to criminal acts, is no higher than the chances of anyone being murdered. If most people are not carriers of these so-called, "criminal genes," then presumably, most of those murdered were not, either. Yet, has that 1% rate been high enough to decimate the white race? Not even close.

    "Lethal justice systems," do not even eliminate the crime gene, for that mere 1%, because a large portion would have already passed along that gene to children. Though many more than today, did not make it to adulthood, back then, once again there is no reason to put the chances of the children carriers of the gene, any lower than the non-carrier children of murder victims and, to once more remind everyone, white people still survived. So this creative theory is nothing more than that. The number of criminals who perished, was clearly far too few to prevent their offspring to thrive. The actual proof of this theory, to a rational thinker, would be a gradually declining crime rate, century after century, for white races, which apparently these anthropologists could not find data to support.
     
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    Say we both do drugs all the time, but I get arrested again and again, and you do not. And we look at the data of the FBI, saying I got arrested 30 times and you got zero. That's where you ignorantly conclude that I am more criminal, while the conclusion is that the cops have a fanatic grudge against me.

    This is how it goes down in real world, and where scientists conclude that there is systemic racism in the police force in the entire country.
    My sources stand. Your source isn't even about systemic racism. Your personal conclusions is unscientific and a joke.

    It's not my research
     
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    Exactly - maybe they DO NOT know about all of the drug crime! FINALLY you've admitted it! :roflol:
     
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    Uh no. It would mean it's made much harder for ethnic black people to excel. Such things show up that 2/3 of the crack cocaine users are white / white Hispanics, while around 90% of the people in federal court for being a crack cocaine user is black. All those black people hunted down and tossed in jail has an impact on their families. etc etc.

    Hence Buri, who only eyeballs who gets arrested, makes the dumbest mistake to think cops arrest all people who committed a crime / would proportionally arrest everybody who committed a crime.
     
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    You're not making a point at all.
     
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    calling FBI stats a joke is hilarious and proves you're afraid to be honest about the real problem, hence hiding behind "studies".
     
  24. Mircea

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    Your Jedi mind trick numbers games don't work on me, and neither do your exaggerations and distortions of truth.

    The federal government does not arrest a person for "being a crack cocaine user."

    The federal government arrests people for drug-trafficking, which is different than mere drug use no matter how much you try to down-play it and spin it and deflect it.
    • Almost all (99.5%) drug offenders in federal prison were serving sentences for drug trafficking.
    • Cocaine (powder or crack) was the primary drug type for more than half (54%) of drug offenders in federal prison.
    • Race of drug offenders varied greatly by drug type.
      • Blacks were 88% of crack cocaine offenders
      • Hispanics or Latinos were 54% of powder cocaine offenders
      • Whites were 48% of methamphetamine offenders. „
    • Across all drug types, crack cocaine offenders were most likely to have
      • extensive criminal histories (40%)
      • used a weapon (32%)
      • received longer prison terms (170 months)
    That factual data -- which you pretended doesn't exist -- is courtesy the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs,
    Bureau of Justice Statistics.

    And, no matter how much you spin it, 6.2% of the population -- ie, Black men (and not Black women) --- committed 54.9% of all murders in the US in 2019.

    What families? Liberals went out of their way to destroy the Black Family.
     
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    I'm sure you can name all the country, rock, pop and classical music dedicated to murdering thugs.


    The British did not consume opium nor did they import it to Britain. Perhaps you wanna study what the Opium Wars were actually about.

    Do you not watch Useless Tube videos or cop shows where Blacks are picking up shell casings after a murder to hide/destroy evidence so police cannot arrest the murderer?

    6.2% of the population -- that is Black men (excluding Black women) -- committed 54.9% of the murders in 2019.

    You're probably pretty proud of that, but it has nothing to do with racism or slavery and everything to do with Culture.
     

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