About the Holocaust

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  1. Dutch

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    ...Holocaust denial on the Internet is especially a problem because of the ease and speed with which such misinformation can be disseminated. In the United States, where the First Amendment to the Constitution ensures freedom of speech, it is not against the law to deny the Holocaust or to propagate Nazi and antisemitic hate speech. European countries such as Germany and France have criminalized denial of the Holocaust and have banned Nazi and neo-Nazi publications. The Internet is now the chief source of Holocaust denial and the chief means of recruiting for Holocaust denial organizations...

    So true :juggle:
     
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    You seem to be one of those people who have a naive willingness to believe when you read mainstream info* and an a priori incredulity when you read alternative info**. The scientific method*** should be used in a case such as this. You don't seem to be using the scientific method. If you don't use the scientific method, you can come to an erroneous conclusion. Tell us how you came to your conclusion.


    *
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798


    **
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-93#post-1072775043
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v01/v01p-23_Faurisson.html


    ***
    https://www.google.com/search?q=sci...0l4j46j0l4.5020j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
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    One thing ima not gonna do is to discuss Holocaust with Holocaust deniers - it is beneath me. But you can google Holocaust eyewitness accounts and read till you convince yourself, or not. And here’s the government archives into which you should have some trust.

    https://www.archives.gov/exhibits/eyewitness/html.php?section=7

    Ima outa here.
     
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    You never really made your position clear. Do you think there were gas chambers, or don't you? The pictures of bodies all over the place are consistent with starvation and typhus epidemics so they aren't proof that there were gas chambers.

    The physics shows that they way they say they carried out the gassings was impossible.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-90#post-1072764021
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v01/v01p-23_Faurisson.html

    Witnesses can lie so science trumps witnesses.
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/36-aerapcoth.pdf
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/44-sai.pdf


    If you take the time to look at the revisionists' version objectively, you'll see that they make a very good case.
     
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    While we frequently disagree on Israel - Palestine and agree on 2nd Amendment issues, I feel like we have maintained a good rapport over the years we have both been at this forum and do not see why that should change regardless of topic.

    I believe that it was Voltaire who stressed the importance of defining your terms so it would be helpful to know what specifically you mean by "holocaust denier" since I know of no one who denies that the holocaust happened.

    However, most of the world does not believe(1) that about 6 million Jews were murdered as per a specific genocidal agenda in homicidal gas chambers etc. (aka the standard holocaust narrative; SHN)

    The term "holocaust denier" is, then, simply a deliberately deceptive misnomer used to distort the views of those who reject the standard holocaust narrative.

    It is important to stress that rejecting the SHN has nothing to do with pro Nazi or anti Jewish sentiment. It is simply acknowledging that the facts do not support the physically and scientifically impossible SHN.

    My experience with attempting to discuss the fraudulent SHN with holocaustians has been that they are quick to slander and evade hard questions but unwilling to accept the physical realities and common sense observations that soundly debunk the SHN.
    Briefly put, there is absolutely no hard evidence to support the SHN which is based only on a few tortured confessions and some grisly, cherry picked stories that defy the laws of physics.

    The only reason that the SHN is endangered by the open discussion and honest debate on the internet is that it is comprised by entirely unsupportable yet very profitable lies.

    The same Holocaust Industry - Lobby that earlier tried to deceive the world with fraudulent props such as human skin lampshades, human fat soap, shrunken heads, human skin pocketbooks is currently trying to deceive the world about grossly implausible homicidal gas chambers, bodies that burn without fuel, a non existent German genocidal agenda(2)
    based only on absurd "eyewitness testimony" like the following:

    “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED


    Re:
    I welcome you to find anything I have both written and supported on this thread that is "misinformation".

    Thanks,




    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “ Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190
     
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    Not all holocaust survivors lie for cash or to terrify impressionable school children or to dupe gullible rubes:


    1. "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony"
    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony


    2. "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    - EXCERPT " An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train journey to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz. Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads." CONTINUED


    - EXCERPT " A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of gas chambers during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later." CONTINUED
     
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    This is Birzai, Lithuanian town where on June 26th 1941, about 2,400 Jews were murdered by Nazis, including 900 children.

    [​IMG]

    Holocaust deniers claim the number is widely exaggerated because not enough bullets were found at the place of execution.
     
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    If true, that is indeed terrible and goes totally against the moral of the Nazis that I know. The SS was not even allowed to rape or loot!!
    I've tried to find info that disputes your claim, but only read that it wasn't the SS, but the Lithuanian police and collaborators.
    What else do you know about this particular case? There should be big mass graves in the vicinity. Apparently they were all shot in a forest, so it would be hard to dig.
    Is it possible that the Russians deported them into their Gulag system for slave labor? Lots of people vanished there for ever.
     
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    Your brief post about an obscure and isolated alleged war crime is a precise example of the the way holocaustians evade substantive discussion for the simple reason that they cannot defend their profitable SHN (Standard Holocaust narrative).

    You had to ignore every point I made and declined my invitation to show where anything I have written was "misinformation" as you or the excerpt you cited suggested.

    Changing the train of discussion from general tenets of the Holocaust Industry & its fraudulent SHN to a specific, small scale and obscure tragedy is an excellent debate ploy but it only shows that you cannot defend the basics of the SHN:

    - About 6 million Jews were not murdered in German run work camps
    - There was no German genocidal agenda to wipe out all of Europe's Jews
    - The Germans never used homicidal gas, steam or electrocution chambers (1)
    - Nothing in the intercepted, secret German radio transmissions mentions anything about homicidal gas, steam or electric chambers or anything to suggest a genocidal agenda(2) and the list goes on.

    Because the Holocaust Industry - Lobby has been caught telling so many lies, any thinking person is fully justified in being skeptical when the Holocaust Industry trots out yet another anonymous claim against the Germans when Lithuanians, Poles(3), the Soviets and others throughout the region were killing Jews in great numbers.

    Decades later, it has become both quite convenient and very profitable to blame the crimes of others on the well disciplined Germans and set up grisly theme parks for gullible tourists making their pilgrimages.

    Since you have essentially conceded that the SHN is overwhelmingly fraudulent, I will address this additional alleged atrocity.

    First of all, there's the profit motive. I'm sure that the good people of Birzai have considered the lucrative draw of tourist money that yet another holocaustian theme park / shrine would bring

    In addition to the absence of forensic evidence ("bullets"; you probably mean spent cartridges) and profit motive there are reasons other than Lithuanian complicity to question this additional, Blame-it-on-the-Germans anonymous claim.
    Among those reasons are no Air Photo Evidence:

    EXCERPT "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret." CONTINUED (4)

    It's one thing to shoot 2,400 people but it's another thing to cut the trees(*), dig up the stumps, clear the land, dig the mass grave for so many bodies, stack the bodies and cover them up.
    Anyone who has done any manual labor would know the impossibility of this task for a few remaining villagers.

    Still another factor is the strict punishment facing German soldiers who mistreated civilian Jews:

    EXCERPT “The German army severely punished its own soldiers for crimes committed against the civilian population, including Jews.

    Examples are given, such as a case in the spring of 1944 occurring when a German anti-aircraft battery on its way to Budapest was held over and the soldiers stayed in a house belonging to Jews. Permission was granted to the men by the commander of the battery, a young sub-lieutenant, to confiscate various items from the house, including jewellery and radio sets. A Jewish woman who wanted to report this crime was killed. The sub-lieutenant was sentenced to death and executed for this crime, and several NCOs and service personnel received long prison terms.” CONTINUED(5)

    Finally, based on the absences of "mass graves" in countless other locations like Treblinka(6), (7) any thinking person with even a cursory knowledge of the innumerable number of profitable holocaust related hoaxes has every right to be skeptical when the financial gains of another holocaust shrine / theme park are so great and no one meets misfortune when they can simply blame anything on the Germans.




    (*) Thanks for noting this @ Jazz

    (1) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (2) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


    (3) "1946 US report said ‘Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans’"

    "Post-war declassified State Department document found long history of Polish anti-Semitism before, during and after Holocaust"

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/1946-...ed-the-jews-as-vigorously-as-did-the-germans/

    EXCERPT "A US State Department report from May 15, 1946, found “evidence that Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans” during the World War II Nazi occupation of Poland.

    The declassified report was distributed Thursday by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the same day that a Polish law making it a crime to accuse the Polish nation of Nazi-era atrocities took effect. Also Thursday, senior Israeli and Polish diplomats met in Jerusalem in a bid to resolve differences over the law." CONTINUED


    (4) “Air Photo Evidence”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html


    (5)“Punishment of Germans, by Third Reich authorities, for mistreatment of Jews (1939-1945)
    https://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2002/06/punishment-of-germans-by-third-reich.html


    (6) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves." CONTINUED


    (7) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves"
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED
     
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    Here's another "obscure and isolated alleged war crime" that never happened, for you to huff and puff and deny and disprove. Enjoy :D

    [​IMG]

    Babi Yar is a ravine in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv and a site of massacres carried out by Nazi Germany's forces during its campaign against the Soviet Union in World War II. The first and best documented of the massacres took place on 29–30 September 1941, killing approximately 33,771 Jews.



     
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    A doctored photo of the execution of a single individual is hardly "documentation" that tens of thousands of people were massacred by Germans.

    Please note that man near the middle of the doctored photo is the only one not casting a shadow.

    There may have been sporadic executions of ruthless partisans in the area but, yet again, forensic evidence debunks profitable holocaustian tall tales (1), (2).

    Don't worry, there are plenty more fake photos for you post(3) but you've made abundantly clear that you can't come close to validating the fraudulent SHN (standard holocaust narrative).





    (1) "What Happened at Babi Yar? Fact vs. Myth”
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/BabiYar/Nikiforuk.html

    EXCERPT “THE MEMORY of the "massacre" of Jews at Babi Yar is painful to all politicians. But evidence shows it never happened. Aerial reconnaissance photos taken before and during World War II show mass graves of victims of the Soviet Cheka/NKVD, but an absence of Jewish mass burials.

    What if anything, happened at a place called Babi Yar (Old Woman's Ravine) near Kiev, Ukraine - September 29, 1941? According to official histories and inscriptions on monuments, 250,000 people, mostly Jews, were killed by the Nazis there. But if thousands of Kievan Jews (those not evacuated by the Soviets) were killed in September of 1941 by the Germans, they were not murdered or buried at Babi Yar. This fact was revealed in aerial reconnaissance photos discovered in the U.S. National Archives in Washington, DC.” CONTINUED


    (2) “Air Photo Evidence”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html

    4.3. Babi Yar

    EXCERPT "We may conclude with certainty that no part of the Babi Yar ravine was subjected to topographical changes of any magnitude during the war years right up to the Soviet reoccupation of the area. The vegetation in this valley was also not disturbed.[16] Hence, there can have been no mass graves in these locations, and the mass cremations attested to can also not have taken place at this time." CONTINUED


    (3) “Soviet’s Anti-Nazi Propaganda, Fake Pictures during World War”
    http://www.hoaxorfact.com/Crime/soviet-s-anti-nazi-propaganda-fake-pictures-during-world-war.html

    EXCERPT “The Soviets and the rest of the allies were in fact faking hundreds of pictures during and after the World war, as a part of psychological warfare against the German people and propagandize their own people.

    However, in later years, with the user of computers and the internet, the usage of those hundreds of images were proved to be faked during and after World War Two, which also intended to demonize Hitler and the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).”CONTINUED
     
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    My friend, I don't have to prove to you that Nazis have murdered millions of Jews and other minority civilians. Babi Yar, Birzai, Treblinka and hundreds of other places of mass execution by the Nazis happened, and need not be debated. I stand complacent in engaging Holocaust deniers for even such short time as it was. Not again.
     
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    Sorry, but I can't help butting in here.

    https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Pigheadedness
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Mandlbaur/comments/objd4h/logical_fallacy_of_the_day_invincible_ignorance/
    https://www.google.com/search?q=log...i57j33i160.9870j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
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    Here is a nice story from a Babi Yar survivor...

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09...sident-one-of-survivors-nazi-massacre/8893804

    And here is the symphony "Baby Yar":



    And here the poem...

    http://shostakovich.hilwin.nl/works/ds1130.html

    And here the Holocaust by bullets hoax:

    https://ww2truth.com/2021/04/17/the-holocaust-by-bullets-hoax/

    Excerpts:
    The supplementary death toll in the “Holocaust by bullets” is being used today by Yitzhak Arad and other historians to offset the diminishing estimated deaths in the German camps. This is one way in which the alleged 6 million Jewish deaths in the so-called Holocaust can still be maintained.

    Last but not least, there is...
    Charlie and His Orchestra: Telling the Truth in Swingin’ Style:
    You're driving me crazy, Jazz! :banana:

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/char...ing_wp_cron=1599936750.4764320850372314453125

    :handshake:




     
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    My good man, Dutch,

    Of course you do not have to discuss anything you do not chose to discuss.
    You mentioned Treblinka so I will address that additional holocaustian fraud and then close this discussion if you like.

    Treblinka was simply another transit center (*) which, like all internment camps of all participating nations was plagued by typhus and related diseases.
    Bergen Belsen, for example suffered 15,000 deaths from typhus after the British took over. We don't know about the Communist gulags because unlike the German run camps, the Communists refused Red Cross monitoring.

    Treblinka has been the focus of at least three forensic examinations and not one of them have uncovered the remains of the approximately 850,000 people alleged to have been murdered there via relatively benign diesel fumes from an old Soviet tank engine. This holocaustian story, too, lacks credibility on many levels but I will move on to what its not at Treblinka: the remains of about 850,000 people.

    The desperately slandered Richard Krege took a team of people, ground augers, an $80,000 GPR machine etc to Treblinka where they examined all the areas alleged to contain mass graves for 6 days and found shark's teeth etc but otherwise found nothing related to mass graves.(1)

    A mainstream, British Dr. Caroline S. Colls, desperate to disprove Krege's research, also took a team to Treblinka but after much publicity, melodramatic speculation, exhumation of a few marked Christian graves and an amateurish, humiliating folly to do with faux "gas chamber" tile markings, they too found no mass graves(2)

    Yet another examination of Treblinka that debunks "eyewitness testimony" was done via air photo evidence.
    It revealed the following:
    EXCERPT:
    "Treblinka"

    "Mass graves for the alleged 700,000 to 1.2 million victims of this camp would have required 40 times as much space as the witnesses state was available. The ground in the camp area shows no traces of former building foundations, large mass graves or burning pits." CONTINUED

    The absence of building foundations indicates that the buildings were crude, wooden pole sheds much like an old barn we recently had to remove.

    The standard holocaust narrative is not a victimless conspiracy theory as countless innocent German POWs & civilians were tortured, mutilated and/or murdered based only on profit driven lies and Soviet style Show Trials that even D. Eisenhower's more ethical brother characterized as: "...a black page in the history of the world..."(4)
    US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone went even further to condemn the "Trials" as a "...high grade lynching party..." and a "...sanctimonious fraud..."

    The popular holocaust conspiracy theory has, as you know, become possibly the most corrupt and fraudulent industry of our time. What Norman Finkelstein classifies as the Holocaust Industry has cheated even holocaust survivors and continues to swindle $ Billions from Germany, the US, France and countless other countries and entities(5), (6).
    If it's "not about the money" as the Holocaust Industry claims, why, then, is no amount of money enough?

    Finally, maybe it is because I lived, worked and studied in Germany and have known several honest holocaust survivors and former German soldiers quite well that I find the fraudulent holocaust narrative so repulsive. Perhaps because I was a far more fortunate combat Veteran of an unpopular war that the former German soldiers I came to know had a better than usual rapport and I cannot envision their being the sadistic, mass murdering thugs of influential Hollywood lore.

    I hope that through my "huffing and puffing" as you said, that you can see that rejecting the standard holocaust narrative has nothing to do with anti Semitism or pro Neo Nazi sentiment but is, rather, based on an objective view, physical realities and honest research.

    Thanks,


    (*) “Another Holocaust Lie: 1.3M Jews Sent to Treblinka, Other Camps, Not Killed, They Were Transferred Elsewhere
    https://www.therussophile.org/anoth...-killed-they-were-transferred-elsewhere.html/

    EXCERPT “Some Jewish historians dismiss these and other statements by Himmler by saying that the Nazis used code words to hide their genocide of European Jewry. This theory does not explain why Himmler used explicit written orders for his other crimes. For example, Heinrich Himmler authorized in writing many illegal human medical experiments and executions in the German concentration camps. It is absurd to think that Himmler hid the genocide of European Jewry behind code words, while his other crimes were clearly stated in writing.

    Since the Allies claimed that Nazi Germany had a program of genocide against European Jewry, numerous documents contradicting the genocide myth were hidden or destroyed by the Allies. However, enough documents exist to disprove Longerich’s assertion that all Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps were exterminated.” CONTINUED


    (1) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves"
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED


    (2) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves." CONTINUED


    (3) “Air Photo Evidence”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html


    (4) "President Eisenhower’s Brother, An Attorney, Condemned The Nuremberg & Eichmann Trials"
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/president-eisenhowers-brother-attorney-condemned-nuremberg-eichmann-trials/

    QUOTE:

    "I think the Nuremberg trials are a black page in the history of the world…I discussed the legality of these trials with some of the lawyers and some of the judges who participated therein. They did not attempt to justify their action on any legal ground, but rested their position on the fact that in their opinion, the parties convicted were guilty…"

    Edgar N. Eisenhower, American attorney: Brother of President Dwight D. Eisenhower


    (5) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (6) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
     
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    There were indeed mass gassings, declared as legal executions. The Nazis gassed women, children, and even Jewish Babies as enemies of their criminal "3rd Reich".
     
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    The Nazis did use these relatively harmless words to hide their criminal intentions.

    They knew the world won't understand why it's necessary to wipe out the Jewish race to save the Aryan race.
     
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    There was not a single maternity death at Auschwitz's maternity ward.

    It's irrational to think that those evil Germans would help deliver 3,000 babies just to kill them.



    • "Auschwitz maternity ward"

      EXCERPT "Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule.

      * Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility." CONTINUED(3)




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    Look at those happy Jewish faces of Auschwitz !!! :applause:
     
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    Dear Grau;
    not that I want to diminish your post, but it is remarkable to see that the women in your picture above are wearing civilian clothing, while the women in this photo below are wearing some sort of prison garb...
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    https://metrovoicenews.com/what-happened-to-the-babies-of-auschwitz/

    How can that be explained?
     
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    "Auschwitz personnel on holiday at Solahuette. They don’t look like they spend their time gassing people."(*)


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    "Auschwitz’s Female Guards"(*)



    Do the people in the photos above really look like the mass murdering sadists of holocaustian propaganda?

    Please remember that all sides used propaganda only the Holocaust Industry had(1) and has(2) Hollywood movie moguls to keep the same US propaganda (OWI: Office of War Information) flowing.

    The same professional propagandists of the Holocaust Industry who lied to us about human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, human fat soap, human skin pocket books are still lying about homicidal gas chambers(3), 6 million Jews killed, a genocidal "Final Solution".
    If a money hungry Holocaust Industry has such a blatant history of lying, why trust them now?



    (*) "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    http://radiochristianity.com/holocaust-deprogramming-course/


    (1) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

    EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

    But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED


    (2) "THE FACT SPIELBERG SUPPRESSED IN SCHINDLER'S LIST: The Commandant of Krakau-Plaszow (Amon Goeth) Was Arrested by the SS for Brutality against Inmates"
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist6.html

    EXCERPT "This vital, exculpatory information has been censored by Spielberg in order to maintain his propaganda depiction of the German military in the worst possible light.

    The fact that the SS, under orders from Heinrich Himmler, attempted to operate the concentration camps (KZ) in a humane manner, in part by prosecuting, jailing and even executing brutal Nazi concentration camp personnel, has been nearly completely suppressed in much of the discussion of the history of World War Two.

    One of the key officers who was instrumental in Himmler's campaign to attempt to ensure the human rights of KZ inmates, was the heroic and incorruptible SS Judge Konrad Morgen."CONTINUED


    (3) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
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    I don't feel like you're diminishing my post and welcome any conflicting views.

    My understanding is that most all adult inmates wore some sort of uniform in which to work.

    I suspect that civilian clothes were allowed while in the hospitals and maternity unit.

    Children didn't have to wear uniforms except for Soviet Photo-Ops after "liberation" by the Communists in which many inmates were raped(1) others sent to gulags and the rest enjoyed life under Stalin's rule.




    (1) “Raped by their saviours: How the survivors of Auschwitz escaped one nightmare only to face another unimaginable ordeal”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aped-nightmare-faced-unimaginable-ordeal.html

    EXCERPT “The exact number of sexual attacks perpetrated by Soviet soldiers as they advanced through Germany, and then in the immediate aftermath of the war, will never be known, but the figure is certainly in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.

    The revelation that women who had already endured so much mistreatment in camps such as Auschwitz were then subsequently raped by their liberators adds a grotesque level of nausea to the story that did not exist before.” CONTINUED
     
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    Sorry, but you're wrong again.

    The Nazis did not use "code words" because they didn't know that the British had broken their Enigma code.

    Additionally, Himmler spoke openly about his crimes. Why wouldn't he use code words all of the time if used them at all?

    Please see the article below:


    Another Holocaust Lie: 1.3M Jews Sent to Treblinka, Other Camps, Not Killed, They Were Transferred Elsewhere
    https://www.therussophile.org/anoth...-killed-they-were-transferred-elsewhere.html/

    EXCERPT “Some Jewish historians dismiss these and other statements by Himmler by saying that the Nazis used code words to hide their genocide of European Jewry. This theory does not explain why Himmler used explicit written orders for his other crimes. For example, Heinrich Himmler authorized in writing many illegal human medical experiments and executions in the German concentration camps. It is absurd to think that Himmler hid the genocide of European Jewry behind code words, while his other crimes were clearly stated in writing.

    Since the Allies claimed that Nazi Germany had a program of genocide against European Jewry, numerous documents contradicting the genocide myth were hidden or destroyed by the Allies. However, enough documents exist to disprove Longerich’s assertion that all Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps were exterminated.” CONTINUED
     

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